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Same thing I was thinking, this obviously isn’t going to be:
Hey, our quality was really shoddy in Arceus already, and then Scarlet/Violet looked even worse while running even worse, maybe we should take our time and really do a lot of perfectionist work next time.
It’s going to be:
ROFLMAO! Pump out 14 games each year, these bumbling idiots are guzzling everything up we throw at them no matter how bad it is! Manager bonuses go brrrrrrrr
I will also say that as someone who both still had very fond memories of the really old 2D pokemon games and now played the absolutely stellar Cassette Beasts… yeah no, I already didn’t buy the newest generation, and I can’t see myself do so again until Pokemon can at least catch up to that tiny indie game in production quality and game design. It completely embarasses Pokemon.
Great to see cassette beasts getting tons of love. I’ve played Siralim and TemTem but cassette beasts really scratches the same itch as Pokemon while also doing some cool new stuff.
That’s exactly what they’re doing.
They should have had these conversations after the release of Black/White. But truth be told, they probably don’t give a fuck. They make them, people buy them, they always sell out in record numbers, so they’ll make another one again, that’ll somehow be even worse than the previous one
What was wrong with Black and White? Did you mean Sun and Moon?
It really seems like Gamefreak just can’t handle 3D games, but they’ve been forced to since the Switch is now the only main platform for Nintendo.
I feel like the games would really flourish if they were taken away from Gamefreak and given to a different studio to handle.
They get like 3 years between each major title, that doesn’t seem unreasonable. If they’re overwhelmed by remakes and side games then they need to outsource those parts, but maybe they’re worried about being shown up by another studio.
That’s the thing. Ganefreak needs to up the bar because eventually if they ignore feedback long enough they will be hit with a disappointing release that doesnt sell gangbusters. At that point the IP will be given to a new studio and Ganefreak will be out of work and have a shit portfolio to get new work. These games sell because they are Pokemon games. Without the IP, Ganefreak will be up shits creek
That can’t happen, as Gamefreak owns a partial share of Pokemon, along with Nintendo.
They’ll still have to work to improve things because it’ll affect their bottom line enough.
That’s right…I forgot about that. Do you know the share percentage?
It’s 1/3 each, between Nintendo, GameFreak, and Creatures.
Pretty sure diamond and pearl remakes were outsourced and still ass. The company just doesn’t care enough.
They were decently made games as far as I was aware. The main issue I was seeing brought up with them was that they were direct copies of the originals without any real improvements, so you might as well play the originals. I can’t remember seeing any complaints that the ILCA games were made incompetently, just that what they ended up making was uninspired.
That’s what I’ve heard as well. I played the remakes without having played the originals and aside from some minor control things in the overworld and the E4 difficulty spike I had no problem with them. Most of the criticism I heard came from people who were expecting content from Platinum version to be included and basically boiled down to “WTF, this isn’t a remake of Platinum”. Most gameplay criticism outside of that comes from Diamond and Pearl themselves not being great, and the “not Platinum” argument applies there in that they didn’t draw from Platinum to fix the problems Diamond and Pearl had. If, like me, you hadn’t played gen 4 before playing these games, I doubt you’d likely have too many criticisms of the game. But it’s the internet, so if it’s not perfect it’s the worst thing ever.
A common complaint I saw with them was they were Diamond/Pearl remakes, not a Platinum remake (since Platinum had so many improvements).
Even then, every remake that came before it added something more to the originals than just a 2D sprite to 3D model conversion. Even if they had included the improvements from Platinum, it still would’ve felt lacking because they added nothing to justify buying and playing the remakes over the originals. Not even the National Pokedex was expanded beyond what already existed back in gen 4, so you couldn’t even get the novelty of playing with your newer Pokemon in Sinnoh.
I guess I’m more upset about this than I realized, but to ILCA’s credit, none of my complaints come from the perspective of the game being poorly coded or full of bugs.
Maybe the answer is not to do 3D games. Every indie monster collection clone that I can think of is 2D, isometric, or, at most, 2.5 D. AAA developers need to say that some games work fine in 2D, cut down the bloated graphics budget, and focus more on gameplay.
TemTem is 3D but they had a bigger team and budget than my beloved Cassette Beasts.
I have not played it. I thought that it was 3D graphics with 2D movement and a zoomed out, fixed angle perspective, the same style as Pokemon Let’s Go. That is much easier to do than the full 3D of Sword, Arceus, and Scarlet.
Violet/Scarlet is such a slog. Horrible performance, uninteresting boss battles and super annoying cutscenes sprinkled into everything. Some crap story about the “school” and “my dad died and is AI now” and a bunch of weird ass Chinese named Pokémon that look like shit. It’s been painful to get through just for the Pokédex entries and honestly I don’t know if I’ll finish my national dex, probably just find someone to trade me the ones I need still.
I honestly feel that the main story is the one thing they got right, it’s not on gen 5s level, but much better than gen 6 - 8. The rest of the game was mediocre at best, and raids do really suck compared to gen 8 raids.
The open world part would be a lot better if the battles scaled to your level though. Hopefully gen 10 fixes this.
(Psst, S/V are the 9th gen)
Oh shit you’re right
These new games are so fucking dogshit that I cbf even pirating them. They can get fucked.
They need to have a talk with the Zelda team
The Zelda team reached out to Monolith (Xenoblade team) for help with world building for BotW and TotK, Gamefreak needs to suck it up and do the same.
Good. The average AAA game takes at least 5 years to develop and they were working with barely 3
I went back to old games I was so disappointed in these. Has there been any improvements? I know dlc is about to come out, but I won’t hold my breath that will fix anything. I don’t want to give them more money anyway
I still play Crystal, FireRed, and SoulSilver somewhat frequently. Those games truly just felt like a complete adventure, and not a pre-alpha test for someone learning Unity at a university hackathon
I’m playing the romhack liquid crystal right now. It’s fun minus some sprite glitches and the fact that the phone/radio don’t seem to work. Can’t figure out if that’s a bug or if they’re story gated. Even with those issues I’m having more fun.
I was considering playing that too. Still deciding between that, and StormSilver. Both are supposedly pretty decent but unfortunately a bit buggy
The crashing has lessened, but frame rate and render issues are still there.
i just reverted to playing hacks
Me too, playing Liquid Crystal now. Just have some issues with the poke gear not working right, but I’m still enjoying it.
If only they had the time, they could go back to the gen 4-5 days
Lol conversations on performance when a new console is just on the horizon.They’ll just use the additional horsepower to just ram bad optimization through.
I wish they released Pokemon Emerald on GBA Online than I would be totally happy.
There’s really no excuse for these pokemon games to look the way they do in 2024 when games like tears of the kingdom exist. It’s not like the pokemon company and Nintendo don’t have the budget to make a pokemon game of that level. They just don’t want to. Same goes for other Japanese game properties that seem to be resistant to modernize and reinvent themselves
Gamefreak? Having ‘conversations’ about not releasing unfinished, unpolished garbage? Why would they? Pokemon fans have nonexistent standards and will buy it anyway no matter what. I wish I worked for these people, they really lucked into an infinite money printing machine.
I haven’t had any performance issues yet. Games just too simple and easy.
I loved Violet and cant wait for the DLC and next games!
