Hamas has begun cracking down on Gazans who participated in recent protests against the group’s rule, executing six people and publicly beating others, according to Palestinian activists and residents.
Are people really this credulous? Have you never seen zionist propaganda before?
Did anyone check the sources? Two random people?
Did anyone click the links in the article? They’re completely unrelated.
https://www.newarab.com/features/newcord-ai-platform-holding-western-media-bias-account
NewsCord, a generative AI platform that compares and contrasts said coverage.
Great, more AI slop.
Frederica Matteoni (writing in German for Berliner Zeitung) probably has checked her sources.
Gaza: Hamas soll jungen Protestteilnehmer zu Tode gefoltert haben
Edit, a few days later: The Telegraph quotes a known person who’s describing what they did.
Hamas tortures protester to death and leaves body on family’s doorstep
Also, this is not new behaviour from Hamas. Take of look at historical precedents, I’ll give a selection extending back to 2015.
- Torturing people has been everyday business for Hamas. Recently, on retreat, Hamas had to abandon some security camera storage media.
- A few years ago, in 2022, they had an execution spree. France 24 reports:
Gaza’s Hamas executes five Palestinians, including two for ‘collaboration’ with Israel
- Back in 2015 they had a big execution spree. The Guardian reports:
Hamas executed 23 Palestinians under cover of Gaza conflict, says Amnesty
Maybe it is time to stop and consider: maybe both Israel and Hamas are committing crimes of the most severe kind. History is not in short supply of one one tyranny fighting another.___
Frederica Matteoni (writing in German for Berliner Zeitung) probably has checked her sources.
Second paragraph in the piece:
“Oday Nasser Al Rabay’s body was dumped outside his family’s home over the weekend, report Times of Israel and other Israeli media, citing statements from relatives.”
Checking one’s sources implies that you read them, see what evidence they offer (e.g. relatives’ posts, photos or videos from burial ceremonies), cross-check if the material is new or has been placed into a different context… and decide if you trust the material. The source can be direct or another publication. A journalist is better equipped to do that, since they can ask from quite many colleagues. They have the benefit of experience.
Material that gets re-published can usually be considered somewhat credible.
Material that does not get re-published, typically is not.
That’s making a lot of assumptions about someone solely citing Israeli papers and not claiming to have any direct sources in Gaza. What makes you think this particular woman has in any way corroborated them? She’s not saying she has an anonymous source and putting her reputation on the line, she’s openly citing other journalists.
Is she in some way a particularly reputable journalist who would be inherently careful about Israeli propaganda or having some inherent objectivity? All I see from her regarding Gaza is things boosting the Israeli government’s narrative, including a “one year later” piece criticizing anti-Israeli currents in the left, talking about how she went to that music festival years earlier, and called herself as a Zionist.
Yes, it involves assumptions.
On the background of Hamas having tortured and killed opponents before, and on the background of demonstrations having occured against them in Gaza at the end of Ramadan, as reported here…
Videos verified by The New York Times showed groups of Gazans in the half-ruined streets in the northern town of Beit Lahiya. Some carried more neutral signs that opposed the continuation of the war, while others chanted slogans calling for Hamas to get out.
…it is not a big assumption that Hamas leaders would ask their security service to find out who organized protests against them, and to kill those persons. They are not shy. It is not news that they kill civilians. It is not a big assumption.
However, time will clarify things. People will be asking Gaza residents if they know someone who knows someone named Oday Nasser Al Rabay, and soon enough we should have more information. If such a person isn’t found, or turns up alive, it will be news too.
P.S. A secondary and named source has now appeared, and claims to have photos:
Mazen Shat, a senior police officer affiliated with Fatah – the Palestinian nationalist group that lost control of Gaza after a brief war with Hamas in 2007 – told The Telegraph: “Uday was martyred by the criminals of Hamas. And what’s his crime? He told the truth, because he refused to be silent on injustice, because he did not kneel to Hamas.”
Mr Shat said Hamas had tortured the young man for four hours. Images showed open wounds and bruising that left their victim’s body swollen and bloody.
No it can’t be!!! You mean both sides have extremeist elements that do bad things?
You mean a lot of people are really just innocent victims of the perpetuation of conflict? Two warring nations doing tick for tack violence to each other for no other reason than the last random active violence? Quote some 800 year old history of violence and do some more?
If both sides are bad can you please explain how I can virtue signal and make this about me?
Free. Palestine. (from HAMAS)
This is some absolute bullshit. I guess the bots and misinformation bombing has started again. Even on cursory glance this is some bullshit. So hamas are being targeted by Israel, that’s who they’re supposedly bombing, even when they’re underground they’re bombing them, under tents, under hospitals, under all the children they can find, but they just go out, put orders on and kill their own citizens? How stupid do they think we are. I haven’t seen one of these propaganda pieces that actually have or pass basic common sense.
What’s bullshit is that you believe that people capable of the horrific things that happened on October 7 would never ever torture and kill people that threatened their power.
Hamas is a fascist organization, and this is how fascists roll.
Netanyahu put hamas in power. And yes there’s been reports from people captured by hamas. They don’t paint that picture at all. The only thing that paints that picture is Israeli propaganda. I don’t understand why launching missiles, after being under attack for decades, is seen as a horrific act, but bombing and targeting children, as Israel is doing for a year and a half, not once, like hamas did, is somehow not. What you’re reading isn’t the truth. It’s out there of you look. And you don’t have to look far to find it, first hand accounts. Doctors in the hospitals there, actual footage. How do you think that made up bullshit, flies at all. Please tell me you accidentally fell down that hole of propaganda, not that you’re just a troll for Isreal, because there’s lots of them. More on reddit than here. I suppose that was going to change.
Ynetnews? Totally legit, trustworthy source?
ITT: A lot of of leftists seeing evidence that they have supported fascists and having to choose between remaining a leftist or going full tankie.
ikr? Lemmy is full of articles, rightfully, bashing Israel for the shit they do. But the second you criticize HAMAS (Not Palestinians) and suddenly your some ZiOnIsT bOt.
Fucking absurd.
Yeah, if the pro-Palestinian movement was a non-violent resistance movement I’d be on board 100%. But unfortunately that’s not what it is.
Odai Nasser Saadi Al-Rubai is someone we should support, someone who wanted peace. But he’s dead now and those who claim to want peace for Palestine seem to want to erase him from existence. He was inconvenient to their narrative so they will pretend he didn’t exist.
How can someone claim to be to be pro-Palestinian if they have no empathy for Odai Nasser Saadi Al-Rubai, a Palestinian that wanted there to be an end to this war? It doesn’t seem like a pro-Palestinian movement to me, it just looks like an anti-Israel movement.
