Firefox is dead to me
www.theregister.com
Opinion: Parent company Mozilla's not my fave either
  • RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.worldEnglish
    83·
    2 days ago

    I can understand and relate to the complaints in this article but there’s not really another alternative that I would prefer to use either

          • anachrohack@lemmy.worldEnglish
            14·
            2 days ago

            Probably not but it would probably fall behind chromium based projects without corporate sponsorship of its core rendering engine and javascript runtime.

        • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
          12·
          2 days ago

          We can cross that bridge when we get to it. In the mean time, we have alternatives. Even in a worst case scenario, Mozilla can coast for a while without more Google bucks.

  • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldEnglish
    444·
    2 days ago

    Why do people love to hate on Firefox? People have been harping on Pocket for years as a waste of resources that hardly anyone uses, but now that they are eliminating it, people are coming out of the woodwork to wax nostalgic?

    It turns out that making a modern browser is a huge, complex task. It’s been said that it is more on par with maintaining an OS than another type of app. Mozilla is not perfect but why are we so quick to let the perfect be the enemy of the good?

    It’s pretty tone-deaf to criticize layoffs on the same article that acknowledges their historic dependence on Google’s rapidly collapsing monopoly. Where is the money going to come from?

    A poorly thought out blog post about the only major browser that isn’t built on Apple, Google, or Microsoft.

    • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
      7·
      2 days ago

      It’s pretty tone-deaf to criticize layoffs on the same article that acknowledges their historic dependence on Google’s rapidly collapsing monopoly. Where is the money going to come from?

      If you scroll up, you’ll see the part of the article that mentions Mozilla wasting tens of millions of dollars on AI.

      Where do you think that money comes from?

          • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldEnglish
            51·
            2 days ago

            Looks like a step in the right direction. E2EE messaging is a worthy venture under the Mozilla umbrella.

            Not sure why you are posting about it in this thread about AI.

              • gedaliyah@lemmy.worldEnglish
                1·
                2 days ago

                You seem to be really stuck on this. You posted about a grant program that Mozilla is involved in for a startup to work on developing a secure chat on a more open protocol. Now you dug up a LinkedIn post about the same startup attending an unrelated AI technology conference.

                No one is saying that Mozilla isn’t involved in AI at all. The only thing I said is that the foundation is in trouble because Google antitrust actions are likely to harm their funding. As a result, they are cutting back in a lot of areas, including staffing, AI, and other side projects.

                The original article ignorantly and irresponsibly overlooks the basic math of the situation.

                • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
                  11·
                  2 days ago

                  You could have just said I wasn’t wrong about your intentions.

  • flemtone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    5·
    2 days ago

    Never had issue with Firefox in my day to day use, sites load fine, uBlock stops all the annoyances and thankfully youtube works well for me.

  • Voytrekk@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    37·
    2 days ago

    I’m not happy with how Mozilla leadership has navigated the ship, but what is the alternative? If Mozilla dies, there isn’t enough funding for one of the forks to take over the browser.

    • anon5621@lemmy.mlEnglish
      93·
      2 days ago

      They had many years to develop alternative sources of income instead of relying solely on Google. But instead, they’ve been chasing every trend set by big corporations for no clear reason. I really dislike their CEO and the entire leadership team — they’re destroying Mozilla from the inside. Rather than implementing a recovery plan, which they could’ve done years ago, they allowed the company to remain dependent on Google. From what I know, internal relationships among coworkers are poor. People either do whatever they want or nothing at all. If you try to bring new ideas to the CEO and you’re not close to them, you’re basically fucked up With an organization being managed like this, there’s no path forward other than continued decline. Sadly, Mozilla is likely to die for all the reasons mentioned above

      • hummingbird@lemmy.worldEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        Yup, I think this is the root cause for Mozilla’s inevitable failure: the wrong management for the job.

      • LWD@lemm.eeEnglish
        4·
        2 days ago

        That Steve Teixeira guy seems all right. He successfully lead profitable division and fought against his employees getting laid off …aaaand he’s laid off too.

    • ambitiousslab@lemmy.mlEnglish
      51·
      2 days ago

      I for one would love to throw money at Mozilla, or any alternative, that has experienced developers behind it, doesn’t have conflicts of interest and acts on behalf of its users. This is why I donate to Servo, Ladybird and Dillo too (I know one of these is not like the others 😄).

      I don’t think they’d reach their current levels of funding through donations, but it might be possible to get enough together to keep it on life support.

      I know this wouldn’t be perfect, but surely better than losing it completely.

  • whaleross@lemmy.worldEnglish
    227·
    2 days ago

    Regardless of opinions, this article opinion piece is written like by an angry teenage nerd.

    I don’t understand what these angry anti FF people want that keep on having weekly rants on the topic. You are free to not use the software if you don’t like it or the company or whatever. Just move on and be happy.

    I’m getting tired of these haters any time Mozilla does literally anything and there is not a single constructive idea ever but the demand that Mozilla must operate like a benefactor for nerds that do not have to pay for anything ever.

    Damn, I almost wish Mozilla went commercial with FF to fund the development of it just because.

    • FaceDeer@fedia.io
      6·
      2 days ago

      It’s the Register, ranty articles written like a teenager is kind of their brand.

  • nyan@lemmy.cafeEnglish
    8·
    2 days ago

    There are reasons I went to Seamonkey for a couple of years, then to Pale Moon (which is divergent enough now that I expect it to keep chugging along even if Firefox folds—most of Mozilla’s patches are no longer relevant to its codebase). I’m interested to see what Ladybird will bring to the table, though.

  • Ben Matthews@sopuli.xyzEnglish
    5·
    2 days ago

    Isn’t it technically possible to split browser functions so we can recombine as we like? - i.e. separating the rendering / js engine from everything around the side - managing all the tabs, bookmarks, cookies and passwords, workspaces and sessions, mail, notes etc. In my case, I like the workspace structure provided by Vivaldi, but don’t see why it has to be built on chromium browser. Anyway as a developer I need to test against blink, webkit and gecko, so would be nice to swap them within the same user interface structure.
    By the way, I develop a “javascript-heavy” web-app (interactive climate model) and it seems to be working fine, and fast, in firefox, so I’m not convinced by complaints in the article.

    • rottingleaf@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      2 days ago

      That’s what we had with xulrunner. Unfortunately Mozilla dropped XUL and didn’t offer a good replacement.

      You could make any kind of browser with xulrunner.

  • Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    41·
    2 days ago

    If firebox being bankrolled by Google didn’t raise red flags for you before, I have some NFTs I’d like to sell you that I think you’ll find interesting.

      • land@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        3·
        2 days ago

        No, it’s a different project that runs on WebKit. The iOS version is fully open source, but as for desktop development, they mentioned that it will be open sourced in the future. It’s Safari, but with enhanced features. You can install both Chrome and Firefox extensions. It’s one of the fastest browsers I’ve used.

  • FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.worldEnglish
    23·
    2 days ago

    Look outside of the US.

    Other countries have better laws around digital privacy and AI. Try products from those countries instead.