“it is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel. Our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is separate to this sort of ethnonationalist state”
“I cannot work with somebody who justifies or supports the genocide. I can’t. It’s as simple as that, and we shouldn’t be able to do that. In this industry, and in any other industry,”
Gotta love the use of “Pro Palestine” here, as if the only reason to be upset about genocide is because you have particularly strong feelings towards the specific people being genocided. God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why.
I would definitely take it a step further call out the Israel defenders as pro-genocide.
Pro-genocide actor, child-groomer and “comedian” Jerry Seinfeld denounced the “Free Palestine” movement as antisemitic in a surprise appearance at a Tuesday Duke event, likening it to rhetoric from the Ku Klux Klan during his introduction of a former Israeli hostage.
edit: forgot child groomer
The position “I don’t care about factions, group, tribes or whatever other fucked up up of reducing humans to labels, what I care about is innocent people being made to suffer” is surprisingly badly taken at times even around here.
I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.
Even people whose heart is in the right place nowadays seem to come at it from a “chose a faction” angle rather than from a Principled Humanist one.
It’s way easier to manipulate people who support factions (just look at how the Zionists weaponized the support for the Jewish People) than it is to manipulate people who see things based on principles like “people who do no harm to others shouldn’t be harmed” as the latter will judge actions based on their merits alone, not on the labels of the people involved.
I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.
I think part of the reason being pro-people makes others angry is because everyone is so polarized politically. A lot more people than usual are approaching politics expecting that you’re either supporting my ideals or not supporting them. Which may as well be opposing them and opposing ‘our’ ideals is your moral failing. Nuance is gone, the political center is gone. At least until there are some serious changes.
Yea this is so stupid. This is not a sport. We’re talking about human lives. As we everything in life, I’m pro-whatever brings the greatest good. I want both Israelis and Palestinians to live a good life, in dignity.
I always refer to my position as “against the genocide”.
I stopped using pro palestine and use anti occupation , anti genocide, pro palestinian liberation.
God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why
Palestine is the only place where there is a war of extemination right now
God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why.
I get the sentiment, but is this really true? Gotta be honest when I say that genocide of Nazis doesn’t bother me. There’s a case where it is accepted. It may be extremely small, but there’s still a case.
At this point, you don’t even need to be pro-Palestine to be against the Gaza genocide. You just need to be against, you know, genocides. The bar is in the basement, even centrist Israeli liberal zionists are able to pass it. But somehow this is now “radical” politics.
Look at all these violent leftists being outraged by senseless violence! When will their tyranny end!?! /s
I would be against a Gaza genocide
But somehow this is now “radical” politics.
Agreed
Good. The genocide is so disgusting.
I hate awards shows because of all the preaching these rich assholes do.
Still, I appreciate that they did this. (And still glad I didn’t sit through it.)
Bardem doesn’t come across that way to me
Einbinder later told Variety that “it is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel. Our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is separate to this sort of ethnonationalist state”.
Einbinder seems pretty legit too
They slammed it, did they? Good for them
They never elaborate what kind of slam it was. I’m going to with a body slam. Could also be something like slamming their hand in a door. That’s pretty bad too.
Exactly the same as the “trump isn’t a REAL christian!”.
No, he’s a christian, funded by christian extremists.
Israel is a theocracy, and the homeland for the jewish religion. They’re the head of the religion. So now you have “Israelis aren’t REAL jews!” as a reaction. No. They’re jewish, that’s what the jewish religion is. That’s what all religions do when they achieve theocracy. They start fighting other religions, genociding them, and create religious terror.
You would have thought that they would have learned from WWII about genocide and conservative religious nazi behavior - but if they can’t learn it from that - no religion ever can.
It’s just another genocidial religion. The time to stop giving them a pass when they started genociding a religion that was intent on genociding them. Instead of using diplomacy and rationality to achieve peace.
You conflate Judaism with Zionism, and this makes your comment antisemitic.
Edit: Being anti-zionist makes sense. See Jewish Voice for Peace - On Antisemitism, Anti-Zionism and Dangerous Conflations
You should look up what we read on Shabbat Zakhor, you might be surprised.
Actually Supreme Court Justice David Mintz this year said: “Jewish law recognizes three justifications for war, to inherit the land, to destroy Amalek, and to defend against an attacker.” in defense of starving the Palestinians to death. To say that this situation has nothing to do with Judaism is beyond ridiculous. Now, where we get into antisemitic territory is when we say not only “all Jews think like this” but also “they think like this because they are Jews”. There is a big difference and it is important.
I don’t see anything surprising in what you describe. It is well known that Zionism uses Judaism as a tool for its settler colonialism for well over a century now. The Bund wrote anti-zionist songs at the time.
Clearly, Judaism and Zionism are not synonyms, nor have they ever been.
It is the Zionist state of Israel that tries to present Judaism and Zionism as synonyms. We shouldn’t fall for Zionist propaganda / Israeli propaganda / Hasbara, call it as you want, these are synonyms. And this is why we need to call out both Zionism and antisemitism.
Saying that Israel is a theocracy (…) because this is what the Jewish religion is, not only is an uniformed statement, it is also an antisemitic one. Israel is a settler collonial theocracy because of Zionist principals. (And the support from the West - meaning, the decendents of the christians and/or europeans that were procecuting Jewish populations for centuries. I won’t expand on this now.)
If it was religious war. Saudi wouldn’t collaborate with israel while pretending to care about palestinians
