“it is my obligation as a Jewish person to distinguish Jews from the state of Israel. Our religion and our culture is such an important and long-standing institution that is separate to this sort of ethnonationalist state”
“I cannot work with somebody who justifies or supports the genocide. I can’t. It’s as simple as that, and we shouldn’t be able to do that. In this industry, and in any other industry,”
Gotta love the use of “Pro Palestine” here, as if the only reason to be upset about genocide is because you have particularly strong feelings towards the specific people being genocided. God forbid we just generally think that genocide is bad no matter who it’s done to or why.
I would definitely take it a step further call out the Israel defenders as pro-genocide.
Pro-genocide actor, child-groomer and “comedian” Jerry Seinfeld denounced the “Free Palestine” movement as antisemitic in a surprise appearance at a Tuesday Duke event, likening it to rhetoric from the Ku Klux Klan during his introduction of a former Israeli hostage.
edit: forgot child groomer
The position “I don’t care about factions, group, tribes or whatever other fucked up up of reducing humans to labels, what I care about is innocent people being made to suffer” is surprisingly badly taken at times even around here.
I’ve had my posts swamped by downvotes at least once by saying “I not pro-Palestine, I’m pro-People” as if I have to favor factions rather than, you know, being against the victimization of people who did nothing to deserve it quite independently of whatever label they’re tagged with.
Even people whose heart is in the right place nowadays seem to come at it from a “chose a faction” angle rather than from a Principled Humanist one.
It’s way easier to manipulate people who support factions (just look at how the Zionists weaponized the support for the Jewish People) than it is to manipulate people who see things based on principles like “people who do no harm to others shouldn’t be harmed” as the latter will judge actions based on their merits alone, not on the labels of the people involved.
I think part of the reason being pro-people makes others angry is because everyone is so polarized politically. A lot more people than usual are approaching politics expecting that you’re either supporting my ideals or not supporting them. Which may as well be opposing them and opposing ‘our’ ideals is your moral failing. Nuance is gone, the political center is gone. At least until there are some serious changes.
Yea this is so stupid. This is not a sport. We’re talking about human lives. As we everything in life, I’m pro-whatever brings the greatest good. I want both Israelis and Palestinians to live a good life, in dignity.
I always refer to my position as “against the genocide”.
I stopped using pro palestine and use anti occupation , anti genocide, pro palestinian liberation.
Palestine is the only place where there is a war of extemination right now
I get the sentiment, but is this really true? Gotta be honest when I say that genocide of Nazis doesn’t bother me. There’s a case where it is accepted. It may be extremely small, but there’s still a case.