• ByteOnBikes@discuss.online
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    Anyone who travels quickly discovers how backwards America is for so many things compared to other modernized cities.

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    3 days ago

    Oh no, who would have thought that short term thinking would cost us in the long term?

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      3 days ago

      Are you suggesting we should let the line go up more slowly so we can still have a business in a few years? That’s heresy!

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        Kill his whole family and then build my bunker for the “inevitable” apocalypse that I willfully helped to create!

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      were they supposed to just work for you for fraction of a cost forever and don’t learn anything?

      It was a rhetorical question, but they actually really believed that. Racism may have been a huge part of it: People as backwards as “China man” would never be able to come up with complicated tasks like setting up a factory on their own.

      Anyone not racist saw it coming a thousand miles away. It’s weird how much bigotry there was and is in the C-suite of major corporations.

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        They are still talking in that “intellectual property domination” and “intelligent jobs” tone. A lot of the supposedly new and liberal globalization was about global segregation.

        And even many people on Lemmy don’t get that the western militaries’ PR is the same - small forces, technical superiority, organization and logistics are supposed to be equal to Russian or maybe Turkish standing armies of hundreds thousands of people with mass training and mass-produced cheap weaponry.

        That’s why they can’t even decide on trying to shoot down jets violating their air space, protected by such superior and organized forces.

    • Tattorack@lemmy.world
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      I think in many people’s heads China is this cheap backwater third world country.

      While there are problems over there such as tofu dregs, their production is very modern. But the Western world sees China through their tofu dregs.

      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works
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        I’m from mainland China and I think most westerners believes two of the extremes:

        1. That China is very very poor, similar to North Korea. They probably think as if its still Qing Dynasty or something.

        Nope its nowhere near that bad.

        Or

        1. China is so ahead of everyone, so futuristic and completely crime free.

        Nope, also not true.

        The truth is somewhere in between.

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        Yep, they all imagine China as a black & white photo of a man carrying two buckets of water on an stick up from a muddy river with one of those conical straw hats and a begrieved look on his face and think “yep, those people make all the cheap plastic crap at Walmart, suckers”

        Their mental image is like 50-60 years behind reality

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      i swear they think all people except themselves are NPCs

      That’s the famed western thinking in general. I’ve only seen one western movie where ridicule at that even reminisces the real perception by non-westerners, it’s “Romancing the stone”.

      Marc Twain described that for Americans, that was in a time when USA was simultaneously a weird overseas industrializing village and half the world GDP. So then it could be explained by such a contrast. Now - I don’t know.

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    Remember when unions and everyone were fighting against automation. What are you shocked at here?

    The North American right and left both have become extreme Luddites over the past decade. What result did we expect? Lots of people said decades ago that we’d be left in the dust.

    AI is the next field that we’re doing the same thing on. The general population keeps getting influenced to hobble itself on new innovations and then we’re shocked we’re getting surpassed as these innovations continue to develop in other countries?

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      A lot of that is true, but I’m not sure it’s a major driver in the state of affairs in China vs USA.

      Most of it is that we moved our manufacturing there, and they learned everything we knew and innovated on and about 15-20 years ago were basically like “ok, we’ve got it from here”

      Meanwhile we keep acting like they’re stuck where they were in 1960. Even the press writes about them that way. Remember “China’s Ghost Cities”? “Who’s supposed to live there?” Well, now they’re mostly filled. The people who we gave the jobs to live there.

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      Actually it doesn‘t because exploitation slows down innovation which is why China keeps buying and spying on foreign companies. I would also take everything from futurism.com with a teaspoon of salt. They don‘t have the best track record. CEOs are claiming they saw the future in completely dark factories. That‘s not the best source. They‘re known to be compulsive liars and often detached from reality. Who knows what they saw or if they really saw anything.