DISCLAIMER: Arch Linux is not a beginner friendly distribution, and this is not a recommendation or good practice.

I know how to use pacman -S. I have yet to experience a Discover related issue after months of use.

  • Speiser0@feddit.org
    29·
    25 天前

    Installing something on arch is easy imo. The CLI is simple and well enough documented, and the package build system is easy to use. For comparison with ubuntu: pacman -S name is not harder than apt install name. And try to install something on ubuntu if it’s not in the official package repos.

  • Brokkr@lemmy.world
    14·
    25 天前

    I’m not an expert, but I thought on Arch you are specifically not supposed to use the discover store because it can cause partial updates which can in turn cause major problems.

    However, the point still stands, pacman and the AUR are easy and have nearly everything.

    • anyhow2503@lemmy.world
      13·
      25 天前

      The AUR is a great resource but it’s also being sold as a package repository users don’t need to actively think about or understand. I honestly think malware is going to be much more common on the AUR if we aren’t careful.

    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.worldOP
      4·
      25 天前

      Eh. I haven’t had issues for a few months and I back up my files on a weekly basis and -Syu once or twice a month. Worst case scenario, I’ll just reinstall and restore from backup.

      Also, I mainly use Discover for high level stuff like browsers and IDEs.

        • NathanUp@lemmy.mlEnglish
          1·
          25 天前

          IMO it’s overblown. If you even have an issue at all, 99.99% of the time it’s user error. And to mitigate that, you just use timeshift with BTRFS and snapshots on GRUB.

      • Ooops@feddit.org
        3·
        25 天前

        Flatpak just working would be a nice thing. Everytime I try they fuck something new up…

        (Last time I thought about installing Steam via Flatpak on Arch to get rid of all the multilib 32bit stuff not needed for aynthing else anymore it worked for nearly 4 days. Then flatpak update randomly uninstalled its nvidia drivers because an “update” removing the old package first, then realizing it can’t find the new one make total sense of course.)

        • BurgerBaron@piefed.socialEnglish
          1·
          25 天前

          Couldn’t for the life of me get the PCSX2 Flatpak version to use GPU acceleration even with Flatseal so I try to avoid flatpaks now lol.

  • bequirtle@lemmy.world
    195·
    25 天前

    IME, KDE Discover and similar app stores are so unreliable, telling beginners to use them is akin to harmful misinformation

    If you need a GUI software manager, my suggestion is to not use arch

    • SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org
      5·
      25 天前

      Hard agree. I always struggled when using Discover, as a Beginner. Don’t know if I could make it work now as a more experienced user, Because I don’t use it and don’t have a need to. Learning how to use ‘pacman -S $pkg_name’ was super simple and is very fast. Sure I don’t have a nice GUI, that lets me browse what apps are there to be installed, but I have a webbrowser for that.

    • Nalivai@lemmy.world
      32·
      25 天前

      If you need a GUI software manager, my suggestion is to not use arch

      Arch is actually great for beginners, way better than usual alternatives like Ubuntu for example. If you need a GUI software manager, Arch or Arch derivatives are still better than a lot of the rest.
      Besides, a lot of people like fancy GUIs, nothing wrong with that. You’re right that graphic app stores aren’t amazing, but that’s shouldn’t be the norm then. I will still do everything in CLI, but I will vehemently defend our less technically advanced bretheren’s right to click their mouse on the colourful buttons

      • bequirtle@lemmy.world
        41·
        25 天前

        To be clear I’m not against GUI software managers, just had bad experiences with KDE Discover… and I don’t trust anyone who recommends Arch for beginners…

        If you never want to see a terminal just use Mint or whatever

        • Nalivai@lemmy.world
          2·
          24 天前

          I’m talking from experience both in education and sysadmin duties. In my life I helped hundreds of people switch to Linux, for work, for home, for everything in between, and was that helpful person that answers all their questions. I have the statistics, however informal, I know what I’m talking about. There are whole categories of problems that people encounter with Ubuntu and it’s derivatives that just categorically don’t exist in Arch. And you can trust whatever the fuck you want.

      • ulterno@programming.devEnglish
        1·
        24 天前

        I am pretty much, “for GUI” and tend to make enough KIO servicemenus to make my right click menu looong.

        But after trying out both GUI and CLI methods of managing software installation, I’d say I am inclined on using the CLI for this task.

      • ekZepp@lemmy.worldEnglish
        5·
        25 天前

        -S, --sync

        Synchronize packages. Packages are installed directly from the remote repositories, including all dependencies required to run the packages.

        • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com
          5·
          25 天前

          Technically correct answer but not super helpful imo. yay <package name> starts a search from which you enter your selection(s) from matches. yay -S <package name> installs the package directly, errors if it’s not found

  • Twongo [she/her]@lemmy.ml
    162·
    24 天前

    why do people get intimidated by installing an arch package?

    i recently wanted to play morrowind and i use the terminal like a search engine for programs. i just typed “yay openmw” and voila it was there, checked in the aur if the package is clean and installed it by clicking enter 3 times.

    and i thout “yay _ that was easy! :3”, got off a ship in seyda neen and killed fargoth with my bare fists as soon as i locked eyes with him.

  • rtxn@lemmy.worldM
    7·
    26 天前

    The original image gives me strong “Shepard, Tali, and Garrus doing shenanigans” vibes.

  • one_knight_scripting@lemmy.world
    1·
    24 天前

    I had issues with btrfs-assistant. It’s a permissions thing, tho. Might work if I added myself as an administrator, but I like the security of needing sudo, so pacman version it is.

  • meow@discuss.tchncs.de
    412·
    25 天前

    Im sorry for all actual arch users, who are contrary to all stereotypes, not posers. If you feel the need to use Arch, and then use kde discover, or any other gui, and flatpak based installers, why are you using it in the first place?

    The CLI way, and btw the ACTUAL way the devs intended to install mainstream software for YOUR distro, is legitimately far less hard than any of you make it seem like.

    So, if you plan on using your distro correctly, and plan on stability, use your lovely package manager, or switch. You can get a rolling release distro everywhere else too, you can change every system file, everywhere else, you can change your fucking fast-/neofetch output, if you need to.

    Just use a distro that is for your skill level.

    Btw its:

    Pacman, and then -S for install, -y for your repos, and -u is for updates.

    So do me a favor and dont try to suffer.

    Thanks for reading my mindless babbling and weird, maybe even contradictory logic, have fun :3

    • LwL@lemmy.world
      91·
      25 天前

      Having steam installed both ways was the easiest way to be logged in to 2 steam accounts simultaneously.

      But also why does it matter, the whole point of arch is that you can turn it into whatever the hell you want. If that means using discover as your main source for programs, then so be it.

    • xyguy@startrek.websiteEnglish
      4·
      24 天前

      I’d just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

      Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

      There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux

      • meow@discuss.tchncs.de
        1·
        24 天前

        I couldn’t find anywhere where I referred to Linux, also, Linux is, as you said, the kernel, and there are actual Distributions that do not use any GNU software (see Alpine, Chinera, LFS, Gentoo, etc.). Assuming, that every Linux-kernel based operating system is using GNU software is wrong, and for your wonderful Copypasta a thing to consider adding :3

        Meow

    • MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.worldOP
      3·
      25 天前

      Mainly due to senior coworker influence lmao. I’m planning to VM some other KDE distros soon, but Arch is good enough for now, haven’t had much more than minor nuisances.

      also, I know pacman -Syu. That’s my second-most-used command (after yt-dlp)