This is very occasionally popping up in restaurants in Australia. Whether you live here or travelling. Do not tip unless they did something incredible. I’m talking the fish brought your grandma back to life and the chef reconnected you with your long lost father. We don’t want to encourage tipping culture. We want to increase minimum wage. It’s like $23 now and we need that to keep growing with the economy.
Fight it.
It’s bled into Canada like that as well and now it’s an expected thing in food service.
Cabs ask for tip here now. We have Pizza Delight out here with mandatory 15% tip after tax on thier buffet.
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Fairly certain it says “xx gratuity will be added to all delivery orders”, so it isn’t really hidden, just obscure until final check out.
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$23 is the national no award minimum, but the restaurant award mandates $29 for even a level 1 casual.
In America you can break your back at a fancy restaurant and they’re legally allowed to pay you like less than $5 because of tipping culture, or you can work fast food and they’re legally allowed to pay you $7.25 and you will never get tips. I’m amazed every day I wake up that we haven’t begun another revolution.
Thank you. I vaguely remember almost 30 but can’t remember what context that was so didn’t want to overstate.
Yeah I always try to bring up our award to shut down the “but the well tipped waiters will lose money if you mandate a minimum wage” argument.
As though a minimum wage has to stay $7.
Our waitstaff get $35/hr on weekends and somehow we still have enough small cafes to bankrupt Starbucks.
Even if they did something incredible don’t tip because you paid $30 for avocado on toast anyway.
I think that one that is angry about paying 30 for avocado toast should make their own for five bucks and tip themselves.
I mean, that’s on you for agreeing to pay $30 for an avocado on toast.
I’m against (forced) tipping culture but the waiter is not at fault for the prices a restaurant sets up. If I saw the price and still decided to order it, I will definitely not fault the waiter for it.
Waiters that give great services gets tipped because I want to encourage waiters to give great service.
This is exactly how it feels
That’s why you look them dead in the eye as you do it.
“I know exactly what I’m doing, and if you’ve got a problem with your pay, go talk to your boss.”
I recently had a pretty crappy experience at a restaurant for a few reasons, the last being their tipping system. You won’t believe how they asked me to tip, it was mad.
- There was no menu, I had to Google their name and find their website (which was some obscure subdomain on some obscure food payment site).
- Their site didn’t work in Chrome (on any of the phones we had with us), luckily I had a backup browser installed that worked.
- I had to order and pay on my phone, unable to use the cash I had budgeted and brought with me for the meal.
- It asked me how much I would like to tip, but this is paying DURING MY ORDER, when I had not yet received any service or food. I chose not to tip.
Tipping, here in the UK, is only something you do when you were very happy with the service (and have the extra cash you don’t mind giving away as charity, basically). Our waiters, as with every worker in the country, are paid a real wage that isn’t designed to be subsidised by begging.
So, being asked to tip for the good service BEFORE receiving the service? That’s INSANE.
Due to the various ridiculous issues we had just trying to order food and pay for it, and the audacity of being asked to tip that way, I will not be going back there again.
What’s wrong with the tried and true system of a waiter taking your order, you eat, they take your payment at the table either with a normal wireless chip-and-pin machine or by cash, and then you leave? It’s simple, easy, smooth and fast 🤦♀️
Yeah, that tipping before service idea has to be costing business. There are several places I avoid because they request tip before service. My local Foxtail coffee shop is one of those places, and the lowest tip option is 15%. On the 3 times I have tipped, they still gave me subpar service. Like, they didn’t even do the bare minimum, let alone anything exceptional.
Of course - what’s the incentive? They got the tip money without having to do anything.
I was assuming that they would have a commitment to earning that tip because of personal integrity and that they would expect to receive more tips in the future when I return.
I understand where you are coming from, but haven’t there been locales in the past where you tipped before service to let your server know you are magnanimous?
I could be wrong, but I swear I read this in a European travel guide from the late 90s.
I occasionally go to a liquor store where the till asks if you want to tip, and it’s the most ridiculous thing ever because it’s a small store and the clerk isn’t helping you find shit.
and the clerk is paid more than the $2.whatever per hour that sit down restaurant wait staff get.
In this specific instance, not much more, because I live in one of the few states where the minimum wage is the same for tipped and untipped workers (although gig drivers are still getting screwed here).
Not tomorrow either. Flashing that in front of me doesn’t mean I’m tipping you for grabbing a donut 6feet away from you and putting it in a bag. That’s literally your job. Charge me the amount it costs for the item and your labor don’t try to prey on my charitabilty. I use those feelings to distribute the limited extra I have to give to research for sick kids, educational charities, housing initiatives, and anti-gun lobbyists. Fuck if you’re anywhere near those categories donut slinger. Tell your boss to fuck himself for even putting that shit in front of customers.
As a weed smoker for something like 25 years who has spent his time doing a lot of studying of the science because I understand that it is not an inert substance, and I know its affecting my health long-term somehow…
I’ve seen the studies that have shown specific strains have more to do with different “highs” than whether it is indica or sativa (nevermind that there is no such thing as a true indica anymore.), do you have any idea how I feel when some fucking twentysomething starts telling me about the (bogus) differences between sativa and indica and expects me to give a shit when all I care about is potency.
Like sorry, you’re not getting a tip for knowing less than me, some bum off the street, about the stuff I’m putting in my body.
Pure indicas no longer exist? And strains are more important?
Would love to read more if you could point me in the right direction.
You really, really wouldn’t want to smoke a pure indica, imo. I’ve smoked an actual indica and it was mostly stem and tasted like dirt. It has not had the selective breeding that has produced big, oily buds that people love to smoke.
It’s honestly a lot like corn before it was selectively bred by humans for thousands of years versus modern corn. Imagine that the modern corn is a modern weed bud, and compare that to what nature gave us…
Here’s a good scientific study on it:
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0133292
From the Abstract:
Using 14,031 single-nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) genotyped in 81 marijuana and 43 hemp samples, we show that marijuana and hemp are significantly differentiated at a genome-wide level, demonstrating that the distinction between these populations is not limited to genes underlying THC production. We find a moderate correlation between the genetic structure of marijuana strains and their reported C. sativa and C. indica ancestry and show that marijuana strain names often do not reflect a meaningful genetic identity. We also provide evidence that hemp is genetically more similar to C. indica type marijuana than to C. sativa strains.
That last bit from the abstract is the money quote on Indica. Real Indicas are closer to hemp, and hemp hasn’t been selectively bred for flavor and getting high. So a “real” Indica is going to be a lot like smoking… hemp.
Anyway, long story short is that individual strains and the chemical combinations therein have more influence over the high you get than the idea that they’re “sativa” or “indica.”
Here’s an article with a short interview with Sean Myles, who was involved in and credited with this study.
https://slate.com/technology/2019/04/indica-sativa-difference-cannabis-weed-science.html
You seem really mad at the person behind the counter, perhaps instead consider being mad at the millionaires and billionaires in charge that decided to make it this way.
Not mad at them, just not impressed enough to pay beyond the asking price. I don’t have a sense of guilt or obligation about it. When possible I would urge people to choose jobs that pay fairly and don’t support this awful system. I fully understand that’s easier said then done (I’ve been there myself). I don’t even really blame the millionaires. We all have at least a touch of greed in us, some more than others, and any system that allows this to get to crazy proportions will foster this kind of nonsense. The answer isn’t to just make Millionaires feel bad until they stop this - that’s not going to happen. The answer is legislation that recognizes that tip culture is wrong on so many levels, that most of the world manages to keep it in check and that in the US laws are needed to curb this insanity. In the meantime, people are able to swing culture shifts and it’s up to all of us to start saying enough is enough to tip culture and as much as possible spend our money at places that aren’t capitalizing on charity to pay their employees. Recognize the racism and sexism in this practice and treat it like the dirty thing it is.
Reminder for everyone that when there are efforts to change the system and have employers pay higher wages instead, the majority of workers are vehemently against it.
You’ll see people in this thread telling you that it’s not the workers’ fault, and that taking it out on the workers by not tipping is not fair, as if they’re victims of the system.
Most pressure to maintain the system (or add tips to new industries) comes from the workers, and I feel that not tipping is entirely appropriate if you want it to change.
When the workers themselves start clamoring for raising wages and getting rid of tipping culture, I will empathize with them more.
People don’t want to constantly pay more fees in the form of “voluntary” tips that are supposed to be a courtesy based on service quality, not a tax and payroll dodge for employees and employers who obviously have no incentive to report cash income like this. And now even more people are jumping on the tip bandwagon, and on top of that they calculate the tip on the total including tax. I’m not giving the government a tip, too. Tips are becoming compulsory in the eyes of far too many service industry employees.
It’s far easier for them to shit on customers than it is to assume any risks associated with fighting employers and the established system for real wages. Leeching off the hard work wages of customers rather than doing the hard work of fighting for a real wage.
Checkout this clear bullshit.
They charge more after you order to give you the impression your paying less because the menu looks cheap…
That’s amazing.
"Look how cheap our prices are!*
*before we inflate them with an involuntary fee"
What the bullshit is that? We’re charging you more so you pay less?
Maybe they are pushing for higher tips because they aren’t paid enough?
Exactly; they know they get more in tips than they would with minimum wage. It is very low right now.
Yeah so what I’m saying is if they got paid enough, same or more than what they’re getting with tips, we wouldn’t need to tip.
I have no problem tipping wait staff or bartenders for the service, but I’ll be damned if the cashier at my local Chinese restaurant is getting a tip because they handed me a bag of carryout food I ordered online… tipping has definitely gotten out of control.
I partially blame the POS programmers that have that option for the take out counter, then especially so for the managers that implement it
With this little change, you might think you’re supplementing their minimum wage pay, but the owner can lower their pay to the “federal tipped minimum” in some states. You basically just make it cheaper for the owner in the long run (they’re probably sold on this by the Point Of Sale software company), and the workers can get little or no extra money.
I feel you on that, but I’m in California so that’s not the case here. I think owners/companies are just able to pitch counter help to job hunters as $x/hr plus tips, and people feel compelled to tip when prompted on the screen while the counter person stares them down.
Tip functionality is a business decision that comes from the top. The Devs have no say in whether a feature is included or not, and dislike it as much as you do.
Oh for sure, I was talking more of the small independent shops, but I probably should’ve specified owners instead of managers
If you’re serving me alcohol (or something similar) at a bar, you get $1 per drink. If you’re taking my order at a table and bringing me food, you get 15%. That’s it.
What annoys me isn’t that they ask for a tip, it’s how much they ask. I’m willing to round up to the nearest dollar if the service was good, but those little iPads always seem to ask for at least 15%. I am not giving a 15% tip to someone who only pressed buttons on a tablet.
One more reason I would hate to live in America. In Britain we don’t give tips.
There’s a street food hall place in Manchester where you can only order via an app and some food businessess force you to pay a “tip” while ordering your food. Can pay 5, 10 or 15%.
Who the fuck do they think is going to willingly pay more than they have to? It’s blatantly a service charge, you don’t give tips before you’ve even ordered your food.
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You don’t give tips you mean, plenty of people I know do.
What? No, we might not tip our petrol station attendants or barmaids, but it’s still been normal to tip table service for at least 30 years.
It’s more normal in fancy places, or where you genuinely want to thank a server for above and beyond service. But it’s not expected, you’re not rude for not doing it, and you don’t do it for just any old outting.
I’ll tip a bartender who mixes me a drink with 3+ ingredients that’s not on their drink list, I’ll tip the server who painstakingly reviews the menu with our table to make sure we don’t have issues with allergies, I’ll tip the barista who rushes over with a cloth to help me after I accidentally knocked over my whole coffee who tried to make me a second coffee on the house. Because that’s excellent service and tipping is just an excellent way of saying thank you.
But those are exceptions to the rule.
Yea, I meant we don’t tip in Britain as a matter of course but sure if I’ve received excellent service I might. I am a bit of a tight-arse though, not going to lie, so it’s rare.
No, no it isn’t.
Tipping still happens rarely, and only as a bonus for excellent service. Nobody expects you to tip. So in >80% of the time you don’t.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted. While we typically don’t tip, you can go to most food places with table service and gratuity is either automatically added, or is an option when you pay.
It’s definitely appearing as an option more on the pos terminals now that most people prefer to pay contactless rather than cash. I’ve only had one occasion where the gratuity was automatically added (ironically, on an occasion I would not tip because the service negatively impacted my meal and I had to strike it out) perhaps I’ve just been lucky.
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“No, thank you.” is my go to.
For real. I place an order, you hand me food. I am not paying extra because you typed an order in your computer and you handed me food. And they still look at you like you kicked a kitten at some places.
In Seattle, it’s pretty obvious if they’re going to ask for a tip so you can plan for it. They’re actually outgoing and nice to you, lol. I know that trick!
“You too”
"Yes, can I get a discount "
Over here in the UK we don’t tip as a rule, unless we’ve been directly served by someone, and even then it’s mostly just to leave whatever change there may be.
But it’s become very fucking common for chain shops to ask if we want to round up to the nearest £ and donate that money to whichever charity they’re working with.
And my answer is always, always, no.
Why not if it is a charity? I’m guessing you’re not trusting them?
Because it just doesn’t feel right to me. And I know that it’s kinda churlish, but there’s a part of me that doesn’t want huge supermarket chains who keep posting record profits while paying the bare minimum they legally have to, to take the credit for me donating a few quid a month in rounding up my bill. Many of the charities wouldn’t be needed as much if these companies actually paid adequate wages.
Do what you want, but that’s not how that works. Businesses aren’t “using” or “taking” your donation or claiming them as their own. They’re basically just serving as a collection point for whatever charity indicated. If you choose not to claim it yourself, that’s your choice, but the donation is “from” you “to” the charity. The supermarket or whatever just provides visibility for the charity and the collections logistics. It saves those charities having to find people to stand outside and ring a bell and hope you have change in your pocket.
If you’re not contributing to a charity in lieu of not participating in these “round up donations” programs, then you’re simply choosing to not donate to charity. Which is fine, as far as that goes.
Oh aye, I know they’re not claiming tax or anything like that, and I get that it’s essentially just a digital version of having a change pot on the counter, but it still feels like Tesco getting to crow about how much their customers have helped raise, while they’re paying as little as they can legally get away with, y’know?
But ultimately it’s not really rational response, and I know that.
I get you. I basically swing back and forth between how you feel, “hell with this corporate public image campaign” and going “well, what the hell, it’s .12 for a good cause.”
That way I’m being irrational in all directions.
Charity donations are tax deductible (usually) so what you’re doing is giving the business a means to bring down their contributions for the year. It’d really be best if you just donated directly.
No. That’s not how that works.
Deductible means they don’t pay taxes on the money they donated
It does nothing to reduce the tax burden on their profits, if the money they’re donating wouldn’t have been profit in the first place
That tip won’t go to the person serving you anyway
This is why I almost never tip on my card and almost always tip in cash.
Oml yes it does. Some always gets taken which is super fucked up but they make up part of the wage. 60% of my income is tips and that’s how most American service workers are. Please tip. It’s a shitty system but it’s the system. You’re not rebelling by hitting no tip.
You should bring this up with your boss, not the customers. Remember it’s your boss who is responsible for paying you.
Just another example of working class people being blamed for a problem created by the owning class.
I’m not giving a tip to a robot.
If I give a tip, I’ll give it in cash to the person that served me. Never through a medium that your boss can control.
Honestly I do tip but I realize that tipping is a scam. The only way to stop it is to stop tipping as a whole. Also note that you have to get at least minimum wage even if your tips don’t get you there. Depending on where you are, they have to still fully pay your hourly wage. Additionally taking any percentage of your tips is illegal in some places as well.
We need to stand up and all stop tipping.
The employer doesn’t care if you don’t tip. All you’re doing is shafting the workers.
Employers have to pay the employees if the tips don’t make at least minimum wage.
Just another example on how easy it is to divide us and how the class war was lost long… long… long ago.
It’s the tipped employees who don’t realize they are getting fucked and maybe their clients shouldn’t be the people expected to fill the shortfalls of their paychecks instead of, you know, their boss. It’s not the people who work regular jobs themselves where they are not tipped.
Source: Working the first tipped job I have ever worked and motherfucker these people are entitled. Delivering pizza to poor people living off of disability and judging them for not tipping. It makes me fucking furious. I live in a state with one of the highest minimum wages in the country, it’s not like these people are being paid $2.13 an hour. Depending on the day they can make $30+ an hour when you include tips. They’re so fucking angry and shitty and petty when people don’t tip. It’s like, I guess fuck anyone who just wanted some comfort food in the middle of their shitty lives and it’s not their fault your boss doesn’t pay you better. I have previously only worked jobs where I was never tipped but still had customers acting entitled. People who demand or expect tips on top of the highest minimum wage in the country are fucking crybabies angry at the wrong fucking people. That’s on them, not the people tired of the bullshit tipping culture.
The workers don’t want to see tipping go away. They make bank in tips.
The unfortunate truth is that they do until they don’t - Anyone I’ve spoken to in the service industry has basically said that they love the good busy nights and the rest is stressful. Nobody should have to worry that they might not get generous enough customers during their workday, else basically starve. What a horrible way to live.
It’s as much on the customers as it is on the workers. Why continue supporting companies that don’t pay livable wages?
Because a lot of people who live on a fixed income like social security or disability simply don’t have the privilege of being able to do so?
They often can’t afford to live anywhere but a Food Desert, and often don’t own a vehicle in a city with few public transit options. Things like this can severely limit their choices on which company to spend money.
The reality is poor people shop at Walmart because in a lot of cases they really can’t afford not to. This is what people fighting against expansion of companies like Walmart twenty years ago said was going to happen. They will dominate with low prices until they’ve pushed out all other viable businesses, and then you’ll be left with no choice but to spend your money with them. This was all on purpose at the corporate level. Not sure why you’re blaming 20-30 years of corporate choices with very little pushback from city governments on the people who don’t have other places to shop anymore.
In that case if we remove tipping, the prices of everything on the menu goes up 40% (because you know damn well the business owner isn’t going to give up that sweet sweet cut of profit) and the poor folks can get nothing and like it.
Please note that I am NOT in support of the tipping culture system. Only pointing out the inevitable backlash of removing it without proper support in place. Prices of all food will increase everywhere to make up the difference and we either reach a point of equilibrium where the price goes back down because nobody can afford a pizza anymore, with the associated lowering of quality to make up for the price lowering; or else a few hundred thousand folks are suddenly out of jobs.
If we just remove the ability to tip and follow it up by telling the business owners “fuck you, figure it out”, they will ‘figure it out’ by firing a bunch of folks and raising base prices. This might even be healthy for the industry, but I doubt it. It’ll just end with most folks never going out to eat again.
I mean, McDonald’s manages to pay employees in Europe a living wage, and it didn’t make the food completely unaffordable.
On the other hand, in the states, for a small meal just to yourself it’s more than $10, closer to $15 a lot of the time.
So the prices are going up here and they’re still not paying people worth a damn. I wonder what the disconnect here could be?
From what I understand, their sales are down, and so they’ve jacked up prices to fix the gap.
Fair point. That works for Europe because I think greed is less of an all-consuming force over across the pond, maybe. We’ve managed to make it something of a way of life here in the States.
Hopefully I’m wrong, and there is a way out of this hellhole that doesn’t involve mass unemployment. But given our past record with most things, I’m not holding my breath.
What’s even more fun are the places that ask for a tip… and the tip doesn’t go to the employees.
I assume any “fast casual” tip goes directly to the boss. If you didn’t come to my table and take my order then the little iPad is paying the guy that wasn’t here all day.
Tipping culture is just a way that disproportionally affects workers in such a way that there should be a mathematical equation that compares titty size of the waitress to how much you will tip. Theres a reason why people think there is misandry in fields that require tipping. I try to not tip whenever I can unless I am friends with the people there. Why? Chances are, you get paid a minimum of 10+ an hour wage and you get pissy if I even think you didn’t deserve that cherry on top. No I dont want to pay you more than I make an hour for serving my food. Its not up to me to decide how much you deserve for your efforts. Yes Ill be bitter, i dont care, i fucking hate tipping culture. Ill fight anyone that thinks otherwise… in a videogame of course.
Edit: also I want to give a shout out to BJs for being the most toxic environments for tipping. They only allow electronic payments on some proprietary website and it auto adds 20% and they cross their fingers hopeing you didnt see. Then it asks if you would want to tip ON TOP of that. If you bring it up to staff they will actually announce that you arent tipping. Like fuck you guys
I agree, I don’t like to tip for blowjobs either. I also prefer to pay by cash for those.
Seriously though, I don’t think I tip based on attractiveness. But I do tend to tip more as I get more drunk. A few of my friends even check how much I’m tipping if they think I’m too drunk and tell me to lower it. They’ve probably saved me around $100 in the last few months lol.
