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I’m tired of being surrounded by propaganda. Do better.
Everything you consume is propaganda and has an agenda, you just see this as propaganda because it counters the propaganda that’s already internalized and invisible to you
Then you might want to get off the internet and live in the woods
Tempting
Tell that to your pedophile rulers
we do
You don’t do jack shit
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They can both be bad
They can be, but they aren’t in reality.
Is the lower photo real or AI? It looks like an album cover.
Waiting for Liberals to actually have a thought out response to the excellent resources the MLs of this community provide.
I’m so tired
*Run
China is still the world’s leading polluter, in a time where those so-called “scientists” most definitely know what they’re doing contributing to global climate change like they are. No country is innocent, but making no attempt to not be first isn’t a defensible policy position.
China is still the world’s leading polluter
This is a rhetorical sleight of hand that conveniently glosses over the actual history of polluting nations.
China is the one of the most populated country in the world. It produces about 30% of all manufactured goods many of which is consumed by rest of the world. So yeah there is going to be some pollution. If we take about on a per-person basis countries like the U.S. still emit more. Moreover, China is the largest investor in renewable energy and China alone accounted for roughly 40% of the world’s renewable energy investment.
not per capita though
China is the world’s biggest emitter of carbon gases**
Yeah, because it’s the second-largest population in the world and it’s producing & exporting the world’s products. You don’t get to de-industrialize, import your products, and then chastise your producers for using more energy than you, when they’re using that energy for you.
China is also the largest green energy user and producer of green energy technology, which it also exports.
The Economist: China’s clean-energy revolution will reshape markets and politics
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence. It’s nonsense. Nobody is acting out of the goodness of their hearts in a capitalist transaction. They’re choosing to pollute instead of choosing to do other things. That’s not for anyone’s benefit but their own. The long-term consequences are so well-understood that only the extremely selfish are optimizing for the short-term.
China’s choice to build a national highway system instead of a national railway system wasn’t done with ecological concerns as the priority. They’re, again, choosing to pollute more purely because of the short-run benefit instead of doing something else that optimizes for humanity’s collective benefit.
So weird how the supposedly collectivist country isn’t acting in all of our best interest. Communism is an idea so good that they’ll silence you forever if you disagree.
What no theory does to a mf
You’re losing
ROFL. Stow the faux benevolence
Go back to Reddit
Anything possible when you make shit up 🤷
Meanwhile in the real world:
instead of
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They’re both bad…
Behold the peak of liberal geopolitical analysis
Both states are awful.
Wow, that was hard.
Dumb and wrong
Lol. Sorry, one is absolutely perfect and must not have any problems spoken about. Let’s do some more you vs us bullshit (not that I am from either).
Lol you’re doing the angry 12 year old thing of throwing up your hands and going “Oh so China must be an absolute perfect heaven on earth, huh?!”
God I would hate to have my life expectancy doubled, truly evil shit
Being wrong takes no effort.
Ohh, so I get to pick which awful country is better? Cool choices.
Edit: aaaaaaand the tankies show up.
Why do you think China is awful?
Fire ass name btw
Thank you Comrade Sharkfucker 🫡
Because it’s not a democracy
China has democracy. Just not bourgeois liberal democracy. The Chinese political system is based on whole-process people’s democracy, a form of consultative democracy. The local levels are directly elected, and then these representatives from around the country elect people to higher rungs, meaning any candidate at the top level must have worked their way up from the bottom and directly proved themselves. Also due to the nature of things the vast majority of representatives are among those directly elected by the people. You should research things before you just say things. And we’re very happy with our system. Even Harvard puts the approval rating around 95%.
Perception != reality
Functional democracy needs those things:
- Opposition
- Free media
- Open voting
- Free and fair electricions
- Same law for everyone
- Civil liberties
As far as I’m aware, China doesn’t have any of those things.
Functional democracy needs those things:
No, nominal western liberal democracy pretends to have that checklist (I could go into details on how there’s none of that in the West). functional democracy means that, regardless of the mechanisms, the results are what people want. In this way, China is a lot more democratic functionally than what we have in the west by all polls of satisfaction with policy.
Turns out that when you have a powerful minority capitalist class with diametrically opposed interests to those of the majority, the majority of policy is passed against our interests!
Perception != reality
Unless it’s your perception, of course
Your awareness is painfully inadequate
Perception != reality
Correct. Which makes it strange that you ignored everything I explained in this reply to you and just went back to the same checklist again.
Functional democracy needs: Opposition
No. That is the liberal electoral model, not the universal definition of democracy. Democracy means political authority comes from the people and that they participate in governance.
China’s system does this through whole-process people’s democracy. People directly elect local People’s Congress deputies, those bodies elect higher congresses, and the system scales upward to the National People’s Congress. Most representatives come from those directly elected levels. Officials advance after years working through those layers.
It is a different institutional design. Pretending it does not exist because it is not your familiar Western party circus is not an argument.
Free media
Again you should read Michael Parenti on “inventing reality.” In the West media is not magically independent. It is owned by a tiny number of massive corporations and billionaires. Those owners decide what gets covered, what narratives dominate, and what perspectives disappear.
Calling that “free” while pretending ownership power does not shape information is extremely naive.
Open voting / Free elections
China holds direct elections at the grassroots level where the majority of representatives originate. Higher levels are elected by the bodies below them. Again, a hierarchical representative system instead of a national campaign spectacle.
Different design. Not absence.
Same law for everyone
This one is especially funny coming from systems where billionaires routinely dodge consequences while corporations treat fines as operating costs.
Civil liberties
China prioritizes social stability and development as core measures of legitimacy. Over forty years it lifted hundreds of millions out of extreme poverty and massively expanded infrastructure, education, and living standards.
You may not like that model. Fine. But dismissing it with slogans while ignoring the outcomes is not serious.
As far as I’m aware
Yes, that part was obvious. Your entire argument is basically “it doesn’t look like my system therefore it isn’t democracy,” plus a “citation” from the eagle burger institute of goodness democracy index in your other comment made it abundantly clear.
My Chinese friends living in New Zealand as dual citizens are afraid to criticize the Chinese government even in private online conversations. That says a lot, I think.
And my aunt living in alabama is scared of muslim inflltrators, sometimes people worry about things that are fictional and/or unfathomably stupid
You’re right that’s a thing, it isn’t that.
It is exactly that
That says a lot, I think.
It certainly does but mostly about them lmao. If you ever end up living in China you’ll come to realise criticizing and debating about the government is like the second most popular conversation topic. We love it, it’s almost a national pass time.
How do you justify all the censorship and working 996 for an example?
Well for a start 996 is illegal so I don’t think I need to justify that.
And censorship can be annoying but is far less pervasive than you people imagine. The amount that is censored is probably on par with that of the western world, China is just open about where the lines are. Even then it’s entirely confined to the digital domain/media you can still talk about whatever you want which becomes very clear if you ever get a taxi lmao. Some amount of censorship is good anyway, fascists should be censored for example.
No one will deny that China has censorship. We do as well, but it’s more subtle, covert, informal, and sophisticated, which Michael Parenti and Noam Chomsky have explained in great detail. China’s censorship is largely out in the open. It’s made clear where the lines are. The press freedom in bourgeois democracies, A.K.A. social democracies, is the freedom of the media owned by the capitalist class and by the government, a government which is run by the capitalist class.
“996” was never legal nor pervasive, and the state cracked down on it years ago. Western media will always make a mountain out of a molehill to maximally smear China, because the Cold War never ended.
Thank you for answering. I will take a look at your claims.
