Fuck me man, I guess I’ll just never consume art again.
Nah, there’s still all the art that was created before GenAI, from the Epic of Gilgamesh to Undertale.
And this is not going to end even if they ban them. Mark those songs as AI and let people filter them out.
But we do need a new music service where every artist has to prove they are the ones making music on live stream and only then they are allowed to upload songs.
Mark those songs as AI and let people filter them out.
Deezer does just that. As per the article:
Songs tagged as AI-generated on Deezer are automatically removed from algorithmic recommendations and not included in editorial playlists. The company announced today that it will no longer store hi-res versions of AI tracks.
They’ve been working on systems to recognise AI songs for quite some time now.
i’m sure most people using streaming platforms don’t care about it. a lot of people don’t even know what their favorite genre is, they just play whatever is popular or getting into their feed.
I quit Spotify when I found that half of the music on random jazz playlists I’d listen to were all AI. My whole family told me I was full of shit and they’ve never encountered that haha. Caused a lot of drama since we have a family plan.
Tunes generated by LLM bots should never considered as music.
Same thing my grand father says about EDM. Personally, if I can tap my feet to it, it’s music. I doubt you would be able to tell the difference in a blind test in any case.
I don’t have a lot to give in this world. Despite working hard I’m not earning much, but I believe it’s important for each and every one of us to give a little of the little we have. So today I give you my downvote. Please take good care of it.
Sure thing DJGPT, whatever makes you happy
I don’t think it belongs on platforms like Deezer but it’s silly to not call it music.You can hate how it’s made but the bar for something to be music isn’t dependant on the fact. Downvote me I guess.
If I steal someone else’s song and put my name on it nobody reasonable would say I made it.
This whole AI-art fucktrain is entirely propped up by people who never made art before suddenly thinking they know something.
If I steal someone else’s song and put my name on it nobody reasonable would say I made it.
People were saying the same thing about sampling in hip hop. Yeah if you do a 1 to 1 copy of a song then that’s not making art but if you take elements from a song and rearrange them then that is.
And there have been a lot of discussions over the decades over artists/“aritists” who overly sampled a song and became orders of magnitude bigger than the original artist.
Its a balancing act. Most people aren’t going to get too annoyed if someone uses generative AI to help build a backing track or a beat to go with their song.
The issue is that so much of this slop is “make a song like this” from scratch. And while there is a lot to be said about manufactured acts and the role of major labels… one of the few good things about spotify et al destroying the music industry is that it has become so much easier for smaller independent artists to get a foothold.
And all this does is add more slop to push them back out. And the difficulties with detecting slop will mean people will be a lot less likely to ever check out a smaller band when they can instead listen to whatever the latest major act that beyonce et al vouched for is.
My issue is more about not calling it music. Imo, if it’s groovy and my brain enjoys it, it’s music.
There’s some music I seriously don’t enjoy as well but I still consider it music because someone does.
That being said, I don’t label AI stuff as “made”. I’m quick with making the distinction when sharing with friends and stuff. I agree with that part. Although it becomes blurry at times. Making something with samples is still making it, what about making it with AI generated samples? I don’t consider it stealing in any case, much too transformative imo.
I think we should separate the platforms but I’m not sure where certain things should land. It’s all music for me though.
Thanks for taking the time to explain yourself! I wanted to jump in to potentially clear up a difference of semantics, y’all are just using different interpretations of a phrase and I think it’s worth exploring.
If I take the person you originally replied to and continue the thought on my own, I think “it shouldn’t be called music” is trying to express that “this content should be fundamentally distinct from music because it displaces artists who, as a group, are finding it increasingly hard to sustain themselves on their art alone”.
If your relationship with music stops at something to tap your foot to, then you may or may not appreciate the value music has for society in the form of things like expression, protest, criticism, unity, and faith. Every time we listen to a bot-generated song, it takes a listen away from a human artist and pushes us toward a world eventually devoid of those artistic contributions.
Whether or not it fits into the same musical category as human-generated media isn’t really the point worth talking about (it’s trained on that after all, of course it’s similar!). What we need is a way to keep it from displacing human-generated art, and I don’t think calling it music or not is enough.
Is an AI generated image not an image? Is AI generated text not text?
The discussion is not about the quality or ethics. It’s simply about the definition of the medium.
On the contrary that soulless shit belongs to garbage platforms that is killing the music industry.
I am not debating with you what music means to me, please understand that MR. DJGPT
You really thought the DJGPT was clever enough to use it twice, huh?
Oh apologies if that offended you as i say in my language: كس اخت اللي نفضك
I have no idea what Deezer is, and I’m afraid if I ask, somebody is just going to say “DEEZER NUTS!!!” and I will realize it was a big prank.
Music streaming like Spotify or Napster.
Spot deez nuts!
Nutster
Self-gottem
You couldn’t infer from the headline?
You can infer Deez Nuts.
Lmfao gottem
From the headline? No. But I could have just searched for it, or read the article. But it’s more amusing to make a slightly amusing comment.
This (moreso for youtube music, since Deezer seems to not have a lot of East Asian labels signed) is a huge part of why I’ve been building out a selfhosted Navidrome.
Obviously there is the old school way of getting music. But Bandcamp is WAY more beneficial to the artists and ebay and Half Price Books are also awesome for grabbing music.
And combine all that with musicbrainz for scrobbling and discoverability of new bands.
I rrecently built a home server and tried getting into Navidrome, but I kinda disliked the UI - didn’t feel as intuitive to me and kinda clunky. How do you listen to your music primarily? If on a phone, do you have an app to stream the music to you?
Symfonium on my phone (so also android auto and just connecting to a bluetooth speaker while I cook) and Feishin on my desktop. Still need to verify that scrobbles are propagated correctly for discoverability purposes (so far it looks like ratings in Feishin aren’t propagated to the server).
I could probably have gotten away with just mpd but figured “why not?”.
Yikes
Music is a weird art form, because something sounding familiar is very important to our ear. Many people have a really hard time liking music that is too foreign to their taste and end up sticking with only a select few genres.
Where familiarity is important, AI can deliver easily. I would think as much as we hate the idea, there is a pretty significant market for AI-generated music, specifically because it’s so predictable and follows convention to a tee.
There is indeed a market for people who don’t care what is playing or who made it, and just want to hear the same familiar generic chords, rhythms, and vocals of whatever genre(s) they’ve grown up listening to. Not to be too blunt, but some people have no taste, and yes, they can eat slop and not notice the difference. Ok, good for them.
But those people are throwing fertilizer on AI weeds that will consume all the water and sunlight that nurtures actual music. That is really a problem.
There are also good reasons for people to use AI music. If you just want some music as background in a video you want to post somewhere, that totally is a legal nightmare here where I live. If you’re some small business, that is even more nightmarish. Licensing songs is expensive and hard to do, so just generating some ok tune is the best way forward
There are music libraries dedicated to that like the YT Audio Library for YouTube.
And what is the fundamental difference between the background music styled songs from the YT Audio Library that were done for a small penny in a short time by some underpaid performer vs. something a computer created?
I think people should be very careful about how dependent they become on such things, because inevitably if adoption ever does creep up the spike in prices of accessing those models is going to be astronomically more than having some jingle writer slap something together. Right now they’re desperate for adoption but those servers aren’t free to run. If they’re ever going to turn a profit the fees for accessing these tools are going to be orders of magnitude more than any small business owner can afford, and by then, there won’t be any aspiring new artists to take a cash job; they’ll have either starved to death or moved on. You’re basically Wille E. Coyote-ing yourself off an advertising cliff using AI like that, and same for other similar uses.
And the sooner this happens, the better.
Music doesn’t stay under copywrite, forever. You could use anything that’s aged out of copywrite, too. And then you, as a business won’t alienate people who choose not to consume ai for ethical reasons.
Yeah, about that: In most jurisdictions copyright lasts until 70 years after death. So that means in 2026 that both composer and all performers must have died before 1956. Using such old songs from old recordings is simply not feasible for most companies.
Music recorded before 1923 has a distinct vibe to it that most businesses probably dont want
Especially since thats before the microphone so its all acoustically recorded
I hear that, but it really depends on the service and prompt (including services’ internal prompt that is hidden) and result, which are many times black boxes.
I personally think artists & labels will have a tough time proving infringement for non-infringing outputs based purely on training data. But there’s really no way of being sure that the “generated” and “uncopyrightable” AI track that’s distilled from unlicensed source music is not itself infringing as a pure substantial similarity (or whatever your locality’s infringement legal test is) question.
Or someone trying to eek out a living with their music can get paid to do so. There’s no shortage of music to suit people’s tastes, the problem is discovering it because Spotify sucks at recommendations, and actively promotes AI slop to pad their profit margins while stiffing real musicians. So many mixes use AI instead of recommending actual artists specifically so they don’t have to pay royalties.
There might be a market for talentless trash music generators, but it actively harms real people creating real music with their real talent, and I refuse to participate. Fuck AI music. Just because there’s a market for something, doesn’t automatically mean it’s good, or the right thing to do.
I messed around with udio for a bit. What surprised me most is actually how easy it was to blend stuff together and have it sound fun. It does stuff that isn’t cookie cutter pretty well.
I think where it’s going to hit hard is in terms of personalisation. It’s nice that I can turn a song with a unique style into essentially a whole album of it. I also had a lot of fun writing my own lyrics. It hits harder when I wrote it and it’s specifically about my experiences, as well as listening to something close to professional quality, but it’s basically only for me.
It’s like having your own personal band waiting on you.
They are using DRM now. They clearly do not care.
Ya, right after getting bought out by a record company. Worst case scenario by far.
