“So just to make it really clear: If you found a bug using AI tools, the chances are somebody else found it too. If you actually want to add value, read the documentation, create a patch too, and add some real value on top of what the AI did. Don’t be the drive-by ‘send a random report with no real understanding’ kind of person. OK?”
Makes sense to me, most of the time the AI output need to be used as input for a human who can then deliver the real value, or at least verify the correctness of the AI output.
The funny thing is that this is the ONE usecase where LLMs can’t themselves make anything worse, because if used sensibly it’s basically just a black box that pokes at your software until something breaks, the whole point is to break things!
But of course AI-users can’t even fucking handle that, they’re so utterly incapable of doing any work themselves that “look at the thing and write down things that go wrong and why it went wrong, and check if it has already been reported before submitting your own report” is too much for them to handle.
The morons spamming the list aren’t going to read that either, unfortunately.
Too bad the old Torvalds has gone, replaced by this mild-mannered gentleman. The idiot submitters could really do with a bit of stern telling-to.
It was a conspiracy from the beginning! AI bros knew they needed to nerf Linus ahead of time in order to succeed!
You’re attributing too much independent though, rationality, intelligence and forward thinking to people that have outsourced their brains to a chatbot - and a meagre one at that. Maybe oooohhh MYTHOS aaaAahhh is recursive self improving???
cm0002 meant it with /s
I don’t know, I can’t tell anymore. I work at Clanker Town, I am knee deep in the braindead, inundated with “ohhh claude code awwww yissss”. Actually, I feel often like I’m nearing the end of a Last Nan Standing type of game and all the rest of humanity has turned into cyber zombies.
So yeah, I might miss this kind of sarcasm. Sorry.
Short version: AI is not a shortcut to being a Linux programmer and contributor. You still actually need to know how to read/write code and documentation.
Which should be obvious but the hype has brainwashed the masses into thinking they can be overnight successes using AI. 😒
Incompetent buffoons thinking AI makes them an artist, a musician or in this case a programmer. It’s about as pathetic as Elon Musk as an individual.
I’ve definitely used it and helped me learn and accomplish things I wouldn’t have otherwise since I am not professionally a programmer. But whipping up something custom that works for our organization with the bare minimum security bolted onto the front. Even if it does take 3 hours to walk through the hallucinations before I learn the concept of what I was trying to do through its attempts and get it setup.
I’m not ready to make a push to a repo yet haha. An important life skill is recognizing what you do not know.
It’s worth mentioning that the recent high CVE privilege escalation bugs were discovered by AI.
There is some good, but it’s important that the submitters include very clear POCs to make verification trivial for maintainers.
In the hands of experienced researchers, AI can be good.
AI is like any other tool, in the hands of an expert for whatever domain they’re using it for, good things can happen.
But like any other tool, in the hands of an amateur, who knows what could happen lmao
What a fucking headline. Just wow. Care to mention the context and the part where he said it was helpful?
Only “almost” so it’s still fine. /j
Didn’t he say it’s okay to submit AI slop code “as long as submitters take responsibility”? Didn’t he also say AI writes better code than him?
If this wasn’t an invitation to submit slop code PRs, I don’t know what it was.
You asked for it and now you have it.
I guess it’s time to use AI to manage that mailing list…
A completely false and reductionist interpretation of what he said.
Didn’t he also say AI writes better code than him?
Unless I’m mistaken, he said that about Python. He doesn’t usually write Python, see the commit message here: torvalds/AudioNoise@4e524250.
maybe he will finally stop using a fucking mailing list then
