• Salamence@mander.xyzOP
      235·
      3 months ago

      Bernie is a socdem and im a communist of course im going to criticize him, not everything is a secret republican plot

          • dev_null@lemmy.ml
            74·
            3 months ago

            Taking back half of their stolen profits seems like a step in the good direction though. Let’s seize their assets, starting with the half here, and then close them down.

              • dev_null@lemmy.ml
                15·
                3 months ago

                He wants to take over 50% of the companies without paying them. If that’s not seizing then I don’t know what is.

                Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.

                • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
                  1·
                  3 months ago

                  Edit: If the downvoters want to tell me where I’m wrong, I’d be glad to be corrected.

                  Fifth amendment to the constitution states: “nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation” meaning this proposition is straight up unconstitutional unless they amend it to pay. And i assume Bernie do know constitution of his own country so i have no clue how he proposed it like this unless it is to stir a shitstorm about “seizing” and then amend it as “compromise”.

            • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml
              71·
              3 months ago

              Who benefits from the government buying 50% overvalued shares? And when these companies inevitably fail, why should half the cost be socialized?

              • kurwa@lemmy.world
                23·
                3 months ago

                It’s not buying it, it’s seizing it. That’s means taking by force, you don’t pay for that. Try reading.

      • alekwithak@lemmy.world
        616·
        3 months ago

        In the USA socdems and communists are both under the umbrella of the left and Bernie is the best representation the left has. Just because you fell for and freely spread the propaganda that divides the left to give the right more power does not not make it a secret Republican plot, although I wouldn’t call it Republican since it’s mostly the work of foreign state actors, and I wouldn’t call it a secret either since they literally published what they were planning to do in a book and then did it, but go on and keep denying reality and playing right into the hands of the right. You’re really helping communism by driving that wedge even further!

        • Salamence@mander.xyzOP
          123·
          3 months ago

          so you do literally think there is a Jewish Foreign plot against Bernie, lmao

          Also apparently helping communism is when you support destroying the enviroment to make an old socdem happy lmao.

      • alekwithak@lemmy.world
        514·
        3 months ago

        That’s a productive line of thought. Let’s just bend over and let the rich fuck us since there’s nothing left.

        • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
          5·
          3 months ago

          Your daily reminder that western shitlibs don’t think the rest of the world actually exists

        • XeroxCool@lemmy.world
          8·
          3 months ago

          Some northeastern rep/candidate on the democratic side has a totenkopf skull tattoo on his chest. That’s your keyword because I can’t remember the rest

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
      82·
      3 months ago

      Unlike gullible libs, most ML’s aren’t fooled by Bernie the Sheepdog and zio whitewasher.
      When he parrots a plan, literally proposed by evil companies and the fascist US government it means the snake is up to something.
      As I explained in another reply here.

    • itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world
      71·
      3 months ago

      Yeah so being progressive means being able to take criticism. Even seeing the value of it.

      And yeah, this is a dogshit thing to say by Bernie. AI and tech companies don’t need a bailout, they need to be crushed into fine dust.

    • cinoreus@lemmy.world
      4·
      3 months ago

      No dude, his proposal is a genuine recipe for disaster. I mean, disaster for Americans not for the AI companies. Do you think 50% ownership in these companies mean governance? Maybe but it’s not going to stop them from spending like crazy, which they already are. Bernie is framing it as democracisation of profits, but with an impending bubble that’s about to pop, it will most likely end up with democratization of losses. What’s worse this also would become a very nice excuse for future bailouts as now millions of people’s wealth is tied to the companies. In long term, it’s going to benefit the AI companies more.

  • brucethemoose@lemmy.world
    211·
    3 months ago

    Yeah.

    Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.

    The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.

    I’m all for collaborative AI effort (like China) or some national funding to train open models as a utility (like Europe is trying but kind of struggling to get together). I’d be alright funding “infrastructure” companies like Huggingface or Cerebras, or maybe AMD/Intel with very very specific conditions. But Bernie’s proposal is basically the worst of everything.

    • TheKingBee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      11·
      3 months ago

      The first thing the AI Bros want, and the absolute last thing I want, is for my country and social security to get entangled in a pyramid scheme.

      i’ve got bad news for you then… 🧑‍🚀🔫🧑‍🚀

    • Bloomcole@lemmy.world
      71·
      3 months ago

      Not gonna lie, it was a terrible idea from him.

      It wasn’t his idea.
      https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/02/a-plan-for-establishing-a-united-states-sovereign-wealth-fund/ https://techcrunch.com/2026/04/06/openais-vision-for-the-ai-economy-public-wealth-funds-robot-taxes-and-a-four-day-work-week/

      Knowing that the US government and these evil companies are already working together and have each other’s backs I can not imagine they will allow simply handing over 50% as Bernie suggests.

      My guess is it sounds more positive and harmless when it’s suggested by the man of the people, and fighter of oligarchies.
      He is priming the public.
      After some debates and discussions I see the final result being that wealth fund INVESTING and BUYING 50%.
      And even then Bernie will sell it as a great deal.
      He talks about “the trillions of dollars potentially generated by A.I. are used to improve the lives of all of us”

      Of course the reality is there are no profits, on the contrary, they have massive debt.
      Billions invested and for little return.
      Plenty experts say stock is highly overvalued and the AI bubble will burst, another 2008 disaster waiting to happen.

      If they want to sell now it means the stock is at his highest price and that crash is not far.
      Dumping 50% of that stock on the taxpayer will make some rich people even more rich and the public will be left holding the (empty) bag.

      It’s a pre-emptive bailout, nothing more.

      • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
        32·
        3 months ago

        I have my concerns about Bernie being pro Isreal too. 😞

        I definitely want to stop the genocide at any cost. In case that wasn’t clear.

        Am I missing something comrade? Or just a misunderstanding?

          • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            4·
            3 months ago

            Totally makes sense comrade.

            I can see why his plan is natsoc. Thanks for explaining.

            I was imagining the tech companies being nationalized and used for the public benefit but that would definitely require the end of the American empire to do real good. Getting ahead of myself I guess. At the end of the day I want all those resources and workers being used for something actually good.

            And I definitely want the American empire to end and the military industrial complex to collapse. 🛠️✊

    • WoodScientist@lemmy.world
      23·
      3 months ago

      Unfortunately, you have to. It’s in the Constitution, see the Takings Clause.

      During the Revolutionary War, the Continental army caused a lot of ill will by simply seizing supplies from civilians without compensation. The army was desperate. They didn’t have money. So sometimes they just took what they needed.

      In response to this, James Madison made sure to write into the Constitution that the federal government cannot take any property without paying its owner the fair market value of the property. The government can take your house in eminent domain if it needs to build a highway, but it has to pay you the value of your house in exchange.

      I suppose the federal government could start up its own federal AI initiative, using government-owned data centers. But there’s no way for it to nationalize the AI companies without purchasing them at fair market value. And while there are plenty of things this administration is willing to ignore the constitution for, this isn’t one of them.

          • StinkySocialist@lemmy.mlEnglish
            7·
            3 months ago

            Who said I was doing anything? I just see the writing on the wall. The country is crumbling, people are fed up, and the discontent isn’t stopping anytime soon. Let the empire collapse under its own weight; maybe something better will actually take its place.

      • PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
        2·
        3 months ago

        Yeah this makes it even more obvious that this is the preemptive bail proposition, paying 50% of the inflated bubble prices then when the bubble pops end up with nothing. Prime example of privatising the gains, socialising the costs.

      • fartemoji@lemmy.world
        1·
        3 months ago

        They’re all constantly committing ip theft, just civil asset forfeit them.

        Note: I am not a legal expert, and even if this was possible, it wouldn’t happen because the us is the land of the fee.

  • migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    54·
    3 months ago

    Whether we like it or not, AI is and will be a significant part of the economic infrastructure. The public must own AI like we should own roads, rail, and other strategic infrastructure that we use for our economic activity.

    Of course nationalizing is the right course of action. Seeing so called communists arguing against seizing the means of production is mind boggling.

    • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
      25·
      3 months ago

      Exactly. One would think that .ml will like the idea of owning at least 50% of AI companies. It’s funny that none on the left haven’t applied, let alone evolve, Marxist ideas to try to own AI. If workplaces should be owned by workers because labour is what fuels workplace, then if knowledge from everyone is what drives AI, it is only logical that the people should also own AI.

      • BrainInABox@lemmy.mlEnglish
        5·
        3 months ago

        Have you considered ever bothering to actually learn what the people you oppose believe

      • Salamence@mander.xyzOP
        3·
        3 months ago

        People wont own AI, the USA goverment will. Do you people even bother to read the bill politicians propose or do you all close you eyes and hope for the best???

        • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
          13·
          3 months ago

          the USA goverment will.

          Are you telling me that the US government outsourcing surveillance and insider trading with tech oligarchs, isn’t already?

          Presumably, the bill will mean reining the potential harm of AI. Also, this means the American people will get direct dividends. A first step towards universal basic income. It’s not different to Alaskans getting dividends from oil production in their state.

  • canniest_tod@lemmy.world
    11·
    3 months ago

    I’d really appreciate it if Bernie and co would go whole hog. 50% is a half measure, whereas proposing full nationalization would be more respected on a world stage and probably in congress.