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should have been born jewish, sounds like a Y O U problem medical chief
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Where is the (so-called) “free world”? They’re the ones handing Israel the funding that paid for all those bombs and shells they’re dropping on you, chief. That’s where the (alleged) “free world” is at.
Here is how you catch them off guard: stop bombing Israel and killing Israeli -> Israel no longer has any use for bombs and shells. Imagine their frustration, having bombs and no way to use them…
Israel no longer has any use for bombs and shells.
Riiiight… and all Jewish people had to do to stop the poor, victimized Nazis from doing the Holocaust was to stop doing “Jewish-Bolshevism”, right?
What other bullcrap do you want to peddle here, Clyde? Auschwitz was just a holiday destination with bad press, perhaps?
I became a father in December of 2019. I can’t imagine the grief those parents have to endure. I don’t care who they are, where they come from, or what they believe in, children are innocent and I grieve with those parents and mourn those babies and children lost. Fuck, I’m so tired of this shit…
It’s their own fault for not having blue eyes and blond hair.
Jokes on you there was never a free world
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I think the point that people are trying to make is that Hamas terrorism isn’t representative of all Palestinian people.
I feel as though the focus should be on eradicating and arresting the terrorist cell not bombing the entire neighborhood where they live, civilians and all. Although I understand that an investigation needs to be completed to determine which group actually carried out the hospital bombing and whether it was deliberate.
I do feel as though as a westerner without formal education or study of the matter I’m not qualified to point fingers in the whole thing other than to say that one atrocity does not justify further atrocity.
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You say that like it actually means something…
Are the Palestinian people cracking down on Hamas themselves? No, Hamas is operating as their government on the strip.
They(the larger group of people who don’t want this) could do something to change that, but they haven’t. Of course it wouldn’t be a peaceful change, but If your government doesn’t represent you, do something about it or you lose your right to complain when it ends up causing you harm. It’s not like revolutions are unheard of in history when the populace gets angry enough.
Same for Israel, the government is representing the people. The people could change the dynamic, but they choosing not to, and therefore the consequences are their own.
Life isn’t fair. War isn’t new. Humans can be very fucking brutal, vengeful, and stupid.
That’s such an overly simplistic solution for a complex issue, though.
Using that logic no despotic regime should ever be in power. But they are and have been and will continue to be.
The Taliban shouldn’t be back in power in Afghanistan, and Russia should just ditch Putin. People just need to read the 2nd amendment and grab their guns, gotcha.
There are a lot of non-despotic regimes that exist now because of rebellions against their former despots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_revolutions_and_rebellions
It’s a long fucking list. It’s going to keep getting longer too,
Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it happens immediately. The people have to want it, and I honestly don’t think either the Palestinians or the Israelis want to change the situation right now, they’re quite content to try to annihilate each other.
If you ask the average person there, of course they’ll say the other side shouldn’t be hurting them, but they also aren’t asking their own side to stop fighting.
Are the Palestinian people cracking down on Hamas themselves? No, Hamas is operating as their government on the strip.
Yeah… those bad Palestinians not doing anything against Hamas while they took control of Gaza… oh, wait. That’s not what actually happenend.
Was Israel cracking down on Hamas 16 years ago when there were open fights between Hamas and Palestinians fighting against them? Or were they sitting on the sideline gloating and watching Palestinians fighting other Palestinians until Hamas controlled Gaza?
Was Isreal cracking down on Hamas in Gaza in the last decade? Or were they just using Hamas as an excuse to kill civilians and to argue that the National Authority obviously doesn’t speak for all Palestinians, so there is no need to talk to them or work for peaceful solution?
Why should it have been Israel’s job to stop a civil war that’s happening in a non-Israeli controlled territory?
Clearly Hamas has significant support among Palestinians.
"In the poll, 53% of the 1,200 Palestinians surveyed said they believed Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people.” https://www.npr.org/2023/10/12/1204881032/hamas-israel-attack-palestinians
Palestinians want revenge more than they want peace and so do the Israelis, nothing will change about this situation until both sides choose differently. Sucks for all the people who do want peace, but the people perpetuating this are significant groups of people, not simply fringe elements on each side.
Why should it have been Israel’s job to stop a civil war that’s happening in a non-Israeli controlled territory?
But that’s the point: It happened in Israeli-controlled territory. They did nothing for a decade after 1993 while de facto still occupying the areas with no change in sight, then wondered why the National Authority lost support in the population and then still couldn’t bring themselved to support that peaceful government cooperating with them over radicals bent on destroying Israel.
That’s the level of priority peace actually had for Israel. They created Hamas support in the first place by a decade of governing the status quo when the plan should have been to gradually work for more autonomy for Palestinians and peaceful co-existence, then they indirectly supported Hamas by using them for even more excuses to not move on with the planned peace process and now they pretend they have no other choice but killing Palestinians to root out Hamas. When in reality they had a lot of choices for 30 years. And chose the route of escalation every single time.
Israel doesn’t really claim Gaza as their own territory. Other countries say they’re responsible, but they don’t even try to operate there.
Like I said earlier, both groups are happy to keep trying to exterminate each other. Palestinians are not innocent civilians, and neither are the Israelis. They have majority support for the fighting to continue.
They(the larger group of people who don’t want this) could do something to change that
Just curious, is this what you think about civilians in North Korea as well? That it’s their own fault?
North Korea is a whole different problem due to the incredible level of isolation, brainwashing, and direct support from two world power dictatorships. They’re effectively a penal colony being used as a buffer to keep the West away from having a land border with China/Russia. It will fall to a revolution at some point, but it’s going to be a military coup or Chinese/Russian action, rather than from the people. If there was any ability to smuggle arms into the country, it likely would have already fallen.
Palestinians have access to anything they need to overthrow Hamas including information, communications, and weapons, there are already groups internally fighting against them. Hamas has significant (if not majority) support though, and not because Hamas has been brainwashing or forcing them.
Agreed. That’s why Israel shouldn’t be surprised that Hamas retaliated a couple of weeks ago after years of Israel’s large-scale killing sprees.
You call raping and killing civilians a retaliation? That will surely help Palestine’s cause
Sure, but there are rules of engagement. International law does not condone indiscriminate bombings. They want to kill as many people as possible with each strike.
They want to kill children. There’s really no other conclusion when you look at the numbers.
but when your
own countrymenfellow ghetto inmates launch a large-scaleFTFY, apologist.
@dan1101 wait, literal babies have to expect retaliation?
Now now, we don’t use logic here. Say “Israel bad” and you’re free to go.
I’ve never met an Israel-fan who also wasn’t a rabid white supremacist - will you be breaking the mold?
What kind of generalization is that?
Co-morbidities - I’m trying to figure out if it’s a coincidence that so many Israel supporters turn out to be rabid white supremacists.
I’m also trying to figure out if it’s mere coincidence that the countries that are most responsible for enabling Israel also happen to be countries with deep histories of white supremacism, antisemitism and colonialism.
Any help would be appreciated.
It’s just the first time I hear that. Now that you mention it, white supremacist subreddits like /r/europe are pro-Israel, probably only because it conveniently resonates with their anti-immigrant and anti-muslim messages.
But this conflict sparked discussion from all sides since 75 years ago, so placing most pro-Israel to the nazi bin is as correct as placing most pro-Palestine to the terrorist bin. It’s like saying the people that support Palestine do so because they’re anti-Israel.
Also, I believe western countries support Israel for many reasons, but the common people do it because of how close their values and culture are to their own. I can’t believe that it is historic white supremacism that would drive this support.
white supremacist subreddits like /r/europe are pro-Israel, probably only because it conveniently resonates with their anti-immigrant and anti-muslim messages.
The pro-Israeli stance of a Europe that is as antisemitic as it always has been is no new thing - even the Nazis considered forcing Europe’s Jewish population to emigrate to Palestine as a potential “Final Solution” to their precious “Jewish Question” (it was dropped as a “solution” because Palestine was in British hands at the time). Christian Zionism predates Jewish Zionism - and it was always firmly based in European antisemitism… ie, the (very antisemitic) idea that Jewish people are “other” and cannot belong in “western” society. People are quick to forget - the post-WW2 era was the only time in “western” civilization’s history that overt and brutal antisemitism wasn’t the order of the day. From a historical perspective, it might even be considered an aberration for “western” society - and, considering the resurgence of of overt far-right ideology in the Global North, it may be an aberration that is coming to an end.
It’s like saying the people that support Palestine do so because they’re anti-Israel.
You cannot be pro-Palestinian and not be anti-Israel - that’s no different than saying you’re pro-black people but accept the existence of the Apartheid-regime in South Africa. To compromise is to simply excuse the continued repression of the former under the guise of “respectabity politics” - the politically correct term for “appeasement,” I’d say.
but the common people do it because of how close their values and culture are to their own.
What “values” and “culture” would that be? A belief in “western” superiority as catalyzed through genocidal settler-colonialism? White supremacism, perhaps?
I wasn’t aware that I like Israel lol
What else can you tell about me?
Why would you run interference for Israel if you didn’t?
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What a shame your mother missed her opportunity to experience it
tolerance
so. Americans don’t abort their babies?
