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      Kind of have to agree with this. I’m still using Firefox, but I’ve very seriously considered changing. Because it’s just managing to piss me off more and more all the time.

      Just as an example, I have two websites that I visit on a fairly frequent basis that Firefox absolutely loves to go to the previous page when I click the next page button over and over and over again. And it’s like, okay, you are getting really, really annoying now.

      It’s bad enough that I’m just like, has Blink won the web. But there is WebKit, and of course there’s Ladybird and Servo. But Ladybird and Servo aren’t ready yet.

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    I still use it, is that bad now?

    I haven’t used a lot of different browsers, but when I have tried to use others I have despised them (Chrome, Edge, a few others I can’t recall).

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    It’s weird to me that the only thing Mozilla says about AI in the ad, besides the fact it’s optional to use, is that people are creeped out by it.

    If they only present a thing as bad, isn’t the natural next step to simply remove it? Nobody is forcing them to ship it.

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      two-faced mozilla is trying very much to chase the newest trends and play the both sides, showing off whichever fits them at the moment. now these chatbots are creepy and no one wants them but at the same they have to add them to firefox because they’re the future and everyone wants them. just like all that times they talked about how personalized ads are bad and then added a preselected toggle to send performance data to advertisers. or when they talk about giving users more power and choice and then implement widevine’s cdm.

      they want a userbase but also want the money to keep flowing, so they’ll tell the users what they want to hear and then implement the newest fad to keep in good terms with the big tech.

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      There’s a switch, it’s that simple.

      I’m willing to bet my ass that if they didn’t offered AI at all, half of the community would complain they’re missing the boat or something.

      The world is currently rule by a bunch of pedo-oligarchs, can’t we just stop complaining about the smallest things and appreciate the fact that we still have a strong alternative to chromium and Google browser? Mozilla isn’t perfect but it isn’t the bad guy.

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        half of the community would complain

        Nobody asked for AI in Firefox. Seriously, go look. I have.

        The world is currently rule by a bunch of pedo-oligarchs

        It’s very ironic that they’re all riding the same AI train. What’s to say that pedo-oligarchy isn’t The Inevitable Future too? Should Mozilla just support that?

        looks like they are

        9a9Z2lJrjJIGmST.png

        …dammit Mozilla.

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    Never left. Great browser and other utilities. I’d love to see them reboot Netscape Navigator!

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      I’m on Firefox since very early days, when I was on Windows XP. I even remember Firefox had a different name in the beginning, need to lookup honestly… I think it was Phoenix maybe?

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        Yep, the standalone Firefox browser’s codename was Phoenix. I was also on it back in the day. From the Firefox Wikipedia page:

        Firefox is the spiritual successor of Netscape Navigator, as the Mozilla community was created by Netscape in 1998, before Netscape’s acquisition by AOL.[14] Firefox was created in 2002 under the codename “Phoenix” by members of the Mozilla community who desired a standalone browser rather than the Mozilla Application Suite bundle.

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    Awesome ad. 10/10, but I already use LibreWolf, and it’s even better for privacy.

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    Okay I actually love this ad!

    I just wish they would take their own words into account and ship with DDG or qwant instead of the default Google search engine…

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    A gentle reminder that Firefox executable is no longer open source. It’s source available.

    Firefox executable is now governed by a Terms of Use (instead of the Mozilla License) that allows your telemetry to be used for any reason.

    Switch to Ironfox or Waterfox if you want all the benefits of Firefox without giving your data to Mozilla.

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      It’s obviously still open source or the various downstream forks of it wouldn’t be able to exist.

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        It’s why I differentiated the Firefox executable vs Firefox the application code.

        Firefox the application code is still open source. The executable binary is not.

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          That’s true, but it just seems like a silly distinction cooked up by some overly paranoid lawyer working for firefox, that has no practical effect.

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        I personally would have switched to LibreWolf, but they don’t have a builtin password manager. And its a bit too restrictive too. I guess Waterfox would be a better alternative, but don’t know how fast they update when Firefox updates.

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          Just curious - why is the built in password manager a deal breaker? I’ve always used a 3rd party solution because I am looking for the ultimate in password manager portability because I use different browsers for work and personal.

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            Its the most easy way for me and I don’t want to deal with a third party tool for every day use. I use a third party password manager, but it is annoying in daily usage for me. I use it to store all passwords, so it has its use.

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      A gentle reminder that Firefox executable is no longer open source. It’s source available.

      What does that mean? What do you mean by the executable is not Open Source? Firefox project is hosted online and can be used to build Firefox. Or do you suggest that Firefox builds include binary blobs?

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        Mozilla follows the same model is Microsoft Code with Firefox that the source code is FOSS but it’s bineries are not.

        Firefox, the executable application, is not open source and is considered “source available” because the Terms of Service contains exclusions that are against the tenants of freedoms that must exist in open source software.

        Firefox, the source code, is still licensed via Mozilla Public License and is open source. If you compile it yourself, you must call it something other than Firefox.

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          Firefox, its logo, etc are trademarked and therefore restrictions apply when re-distributing, and that has been the case for as long as I remember. There’s nothing stopping you from compiling it yourself, calling it Firefox, or using their branding, as long as you don’t redistribute your build and modifications to others while still using their branding.

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            Ah, I see he was talking about the branding and trademark. Yeah, that has nothing to do with Open Source.

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          I don’t think that is how Open Source works. Terms of Service in the build doesn’t change Firefox being Open Source. If the Source code is open Source, then so is the Firefox build, if nothing else is added that is not Open Source. Also according to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Public_License the license is compatible with GPL v2 and Debian FSG, is approved by FSF and OSI.

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            If the Source code is open Source, then so is the Firefox build

            If that’s the case, Mozilla wouldn’t have spent so much publicity and gotton so much shit a year+ ago for removing the MPL from their executable and developing their TOS.

            And even if it did, their TOS contains provisions that they can use your telemetry for any reason and they initially said they wouldn’t use it to train AI and then they admitted that they use it to train AI. So even you give them the broadest interpretation of OSS, there are still reasons not to use Firefox executable and use an alternative instead.

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              That is not the broadest interpretation of OSS, if it is GPLv2 compatible and the FSF and OSI approve it to be Open Source conform. Collecting telemetry has nothing to do with a project being Open Source or not.

              Your arguments are baseless, unless you can point to what you exactly mean. Can you point to something specific in the license that I can check? Does the Firefox contain anything proprietary? How is the MPL removed, if that is the license of the project? You need to be specific.

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              I don’t recall anything about the MPL being removed from the executable. It’s also absolutely possible (and has frequently happened) to get a lot of publicity about something minor or irrelevant.

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      Tried Ironfox on my mobile. Many websites just don’t work and i have to launch Vanadium on my GOS

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      Yes, but imagine the internet without them. Google would have even more power and control

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        google rose to power with the help of Mozilla

        if Mozilla wasn’t here we’d probably get a better alternative to chromium

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        If Google could get more powerful by killing Firefox, wouldn’t they just stop funding them?

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            And that’s why we don’t have to imagine the internet without Mozilla. Google already has everything exactly the way they want it

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        yes, but for how long is that a justifiable reason to have bad things happen

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        I’m not sure they need to make money with this. They keep blowing all the money they have on silly things, instead of focusing on making their core stuff better.