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    The First Peoples of North America definitely didn’t have such sharp, well defined border lines. It’s not as of they had a bunch of written treaties establishing hard borders.

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      This is a conceptual alternate history map of modern day North America without colonisation. It’s still reasonably inaccurate of course but it’s not meant to accurately portray the borders of a pre-colonised North America.

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        Sioux is a name given by the colonizers. It’s not just the borders.

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          iirc its a word for enemy, IE the colonists encountered a rival tribe, and never cared to correct their mistake.

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            The Wikipedia says it comes from a French misspelling of an indigenous word that could be used to describe the people. So it might be a little less offensive than that, but still not great.

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              In English we use Norse meaning northern people, unsurprisingly it is the word originally used to describe them by people south of them. Those people now called Germans get their name from ceaser when he invaded from Italy, named by the Greeks, who in turn derive their modern name from the Romans because they called themselves Hellanes… Spain gets it’s name probably because it was located near a rabbit on a Roman coin… They also named Britain of course and all of them would be the ones going to the new world and naming things there

              It’s weird but it’s pretty common

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      Obviously this is 2015 AD meaning as 2015 years After Diogenes which is closer to 1500 CE or Century of Erasmus.

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      I think they are referring to the British settlements that led to modern America…?

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      The illegal immigrants in this case would be European settlers and the added text makes the meme, I think. I had to double take on this one as well.

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        yeah, but i just dont really understand the map. is it just a map showing where the native population lived before colonization or is there an actual joke in there?

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    Why are the Hopi drawn in Texas? They were/are in current northern Arizona. Texas had Tawakoni, Wichita, Kickapoo and Comanche tribes.

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    It’s interesting how these lines are still pretty accurate for cultural divisions in colonial NA. At least at at quick glance.

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    This is by far the largest settler colony and one of the largest real, actual genocides conducted in human history. Not fake like the ones West invents about others.

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        Apparently that is false. While disease did kill some, as well as early settlers, the rest was actual murder.

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            https://www.history.com/news/native-americans-genocide-united-states

            You can start the journey of learning the truth here. There are lots of sources of info ( if you ignore Canada/ USAs own accounts in some instances because of whitewashing history) . Also the churches reporting many died of germs from early settlers is a fake after take, because in that era they had no concept of germ theory, that discovery came later.

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        You mean the diseases they intentionally spread as part of their settler colonialist genocide?

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          There’s very less evidence to support that. I can only recall one incident where a blanket infected with small pox was handed out to a tribe and the officer who did that was later severely reprimanded.

          But anyhow, I am not trying to downplay the ill intent of European settlers, I will just quote this here “history is written by victors”. The blanket incident is all I recall about deliberate disease spreading. who really knows? How many hundreds of such incidents went unreported?

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            I took a course about it back in high school, they literally wrote about how they were going to spread infected blankets to wipe out the indigenous population. But you’re white so that means your genocide denying hipfires are more accurate than actually educated facts on the matter, so excuse me for thinking I knew what I was talking about.