• 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      1% of Gaza, 0.004% of all Palestinians. An awful tragedy and must be stopped. I could be convinced otherwise but that doesn’t sound like genocide or ethnic cleansing. It sounds like 150 times fewer civilian casualties than the Iraq war, proportionate to the population.

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    10 months ago

    I’ll go ahead and type what they mean.

    NRPI - No Real Person Involved

    It’s the most disgusting but most honest corporate term I have ever seen. Palestinians aren’t real to these people. They are clumped together into “casualties” and maybe, if they are lucky, “civilian casualties”. How many “non-real person” deaths does it take to force people to acknowledge this genocide?

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      10 months ago

      Watching an MSF volunteer doctor describe WCNSF while the interviewer sat mute and emotionless was telling.

      There’s an acronym that’s unique to the Gaza Strip, it’s WCNSF - wounded child, no surviving family - and it’s not used infrequently

      She almost broke down mid sentence, the host was ready to move on to the next segment piece of the broadcast…

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        Multiple doctors have been vocal about this disgusting new acronym.

        History is not going to look at Israel well. They done fucked up bad and it’s gonna catch up to them.

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          10 months ago

          I’m more worried about the support of the US and Germany for these Neue Nazis.

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    10 months ago

    Bombs dropped from thousands of feet and artillery shells lofted into Gaza from kilometers away result in death and destruction on a massive scale, but it is carried out remotely. The deadly results are unseen by those who caused them and the source unseen by those [who] suffer and die.

    It’s a different kind of event and is described differently as ‘intensive,’ ‘unrelenting,’ and ‘punishing,’ raining death and destruction on one of the most densely populated places on earth…They are different stories, and we have tried to describe both accurately and vividly.  

    It’s not “murderous” if it’s done from far away, apparently. Hitler didn’t personally see the Jews he sent to the death camps so he wasn’t “murderous” he was just “unrelenting” and “intensive.” Aww he was just a hard worker then, bless his cotton socks.

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    10 months ago

    Why do people keep calling revenge “defense”?

    Israel had a chance to defend itself. It failed horribly. Now it gets to massacre civilians?

    What the fuck?

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      10 months ago

      It’s like when the Nazis were attacked by the French Resistance in Occupied France and then went to some village and killed 10 random villagers for each dead German as reprisal.

      The main difference here is that the total ratio is already pass the 20-to-1 mark and 10-to-1 is the ratio of Palestinian children murdered by the Israel military for each Israeli murdered by Hamas.

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    I call it racism

    There have been more civilians killed in the latest atrocities by the Israelis in Gaza in only three months than the number of all Ukrainian civilians dead in almost 2 years. but they haven’t spared one bad word of the dictionary in describing Putin’s war in Ukraine while banning their journalists from describing Israel’s atrocities as brutal.

    If this isn’t racism and viewing one race more worthy of humanity and empathy than another, than I don’t know what it could be, cause maybe we need a better word to describe both "racism + hypocrisy "

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      Not merelly racism, but the cold, extreme, violent kind of racism practiced by the Nazis.

      Even the KKK in a country of 350 million people did not manage to murder so many of those they deemed “lesser” in decades as the Israelis are doing to those they call “human animals” in a few months.

      I did not at all thought like this when all this started, but by now all I see is the disgusting parallel with how the Nazis thought and, worse, how they acted, and can only conclude that those at this point excusing, whitewashing or even supporting the actions of the State Of Israel are Nazi-lovers.

      At this point this shit has transcended the racism of Appartheid and the “mild” style of Fascism in places like Italy, and has reached the kind of ultra-racist violent Fascism of the Nazis.

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    If that doesn’t merit the terms “murderous” and “brutal,” what in hell does??? I do agree that both terms are a bit too lenient and lighthearted for what they are actually doing. But, I’m sure the next generation of Palestinians won’t be already amassing arms in anticipation of a bloody retaliation necessitating further non-“murderous” responses from Israel in the future. Right?

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    Big shoutout to to the IDF for killing the entire family of this 12 year old girl, and blowing her leg off in an airstrike.

    And then when she was in the hospital the IDF shot at the hospital and blew her head off with a tank shell.

    The one that Genocide Joe just bypassed congress for to send more to israel.

    Not brutal though.

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    Semantics. It’s genocide then. Or some other more technical term. There’s a word for it, who cares? Everyone knows what we mean. And that’s the point of words. To covey a meaning from one mind to another.

    If you want to play the semantics game and abolish in-context definitions of words, then abolish all slang and idioms too.

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    CBC are toadying sycophants, this surprises nobody. I don’t even know why people pay attention to them, they’re irrelevant.

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    20,000 is low numbers for the British. If they admit that’s too many people killed, they’d have to admit that they’re an island descended from murderous, genocidal zealots and colonizing savages.

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        What face is on Canadian money?

        Also, don’t look up the Canadian residential schools if you’re squeamish.

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          Thats great but you understand they’re two very different countries, right?

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            It’s slightly more complicated than that.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_of_Nations

            And also, the Residential Schools were 100% Canadian.

            Not that Canada was the only country to have them, no. I mean, the fault for what happened in the Canadian ones was 100% on Canada. They enforced the system with fucking Mounties, and kept those torture houses going until 1997.

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              It’s slightly more complicated than that.

              It’s really not. This is an article about the CBC, the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. It has literally nothing to do with the Commonwealth or any of the countries that make it up. It’s about a public broadcaster. Britain and their royal family has nothing to do with this, nor do Residential Schools.

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                Look at the original comment in this particular thread, It calls 20k deaths rookie numbers compared to the British atrocities.

                Note how it’s talking about Britton, and by extension Canada’s past, and making the observation that Canada’s current reluctance to face the reality of a (friendly) country’s ongoing genocide is because Canada would have to face up to their own history of genocide, both when they were part of the Empire, and for decades afterward.

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          Whatabout what your mom does, down by the docks at night?

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          A bunch of Canadian prime ministers, a civil activist, and the former queen of Canada.

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          Another religious organization contracted by the goveenm2nt to fuck brown people - literally.

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      To be fair, you can say that about every country. Humans are a virus that spreads without remorse or concern.

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      I’ll have you know that they’ve had running water for at least the last 10 years

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      I mean, you’re right. In terms of proportionality, are the terms fair? No, they aren’t, for the reason you point out. They aren’t proportionately more brutal than other responses to terrorism. 22,500 is 0.004% of the population of Palestine. There’s Colonialists that have wiped out entire populations, but like the war in Iraq killed 0.6% of the population. Proportionately, Iraq killed 150 times more civilians, if I’m doing this math correctly. Not my strongest skill.

        • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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          5.4m people in all Palestine. Downvoted okay for what? The claim is that Israel is committing genocide and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

          0.004% of all Palestinians have been killed. It’s sad. It’s a war, though, war is sad. Is it a brutal war, or a murderous war? Have to compare it to other wars.

          Where am I wrong here?