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Mam, I wish geopolitics was as simple as you “genocide joe” bros seem to think it is.
This is actually huge and we should be celebrating it as a win. We’ll that’s if you actually care about the people of Gaza and don’t just want to use them as an excuse to attack Biden.
Very well said. Additionally, note how none of the people that care so deeply about the oppressed and war-torn victims and refugees of genocide seem to have a shit to give about what’s happening to the Ukrainian people.
Apparently a genocide is only define by how the American president is handling it.
Not just Ukrainians. Uyghurs, Syrians, Kurds, Georgians, Quirimli, Chechens… the list goes fucking on.
The most vile shit they introduced into discourse around Gaza is the notion that genocide is a competition. “More people dead in n days in Gaza than in n months in Ukraine” is a statement that achieves only two goals: devalue human suffering and reveal the messenger to be a morally bankrupt psychopath.
Geopolitics isn’t simple. Being against genocides is simple.
America is trying to fix the problem it helped create.
So you think if Biden was so inclined to he could just say “no more support for Israel” and everyone would just happily go along with it because he’s president and everyone has to do what he says?
Or would an administration with no majority in either the senate or the house maybe have trouble going against decades of policy and doctrine, to abandon its closest ally in an incredibly unstable and important region and put at risk American political and corporate interests in the area?
So you think if Biden was so inclined to he could just say “no more support for Israel” and everyone would just happily go along with it because he’s president and everyone has to do what he says?
YES
It should never be difficult to do the right thing.
You are right, but also very naive.
What would Jesus do? Or Martin Luther King? Or Ghandi? Or Nelson Mandela?
Name a better candidate that has a chance to defeat Biden in November.
I’ll wait here.
Everyone keep this in mind:
Yeah im sure Genocide Joe has perfectly good intentions when he says he plans build a port in a city he directly helped to ethnically cleanse, that just so happens to be within a few nautical miles of two massive oil wells recently discovered within Gaza’s territorial waters, which have already been sold off to oil companies.
This is the same country that managed to kill people whilst dropping out of date, non-halal, food onto civilians.
Why are you so desperate to avoid seeing him for what he is? Are you feeling guilty for the horrors you’ve seen whilst still convincing yourself America is the good guy?
I mean for one I’m not taking someone seriously that unironicslly says “genocide Joe”
Also you might wanna learn the definition of “directly” because you’re not using it right.
Also do you have any sources for any of the stuff you just claimed because I can’t find info on it at all.
Like it’s so obvious you don’t actually give a shit about this people and it’s just an excuse for you to say “but Biden bad” like the good little useful idiot you are.
It doesn’t matter if he’s building infrastructure to get needed aide onto gaza, or directly airdropping food into the city. You people will always try and find some mental gymnastics way to make it into Biden supporting genocide.
non-halal
Muslims are allowed to eat haram if they would otherwise starve, this kind of nitpicking is very elucidatory. Like, would you rather less food be delivered, or delivered with more delay, just to ensure it sticks to rules which are not even applicable to this scenario?
That’s true, as well as you can also eat out-of-date food if the alternative is starvation, but it seems fitting that the US is only able to scrounge 38,000 meals (enough for 1.7% of the total population of Gaza to have one meal) while it’s gleefully sending billions in military aid to Israel.
Except out of date food carries a risk, and non-halal does not.
This is so silly. This is just Biden trying to keep both sides of his own party happy…
It’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for him.
Did they find oil in Gaza? /s
But for real though, if/when Israel bombs a US-built humanitarian shipping port, will the US finally stop supplying bombs?
They did actually.
Learning the history behind this conflict has made me reach the conclusion that the only way for it to be resolved is for Zionists to return the land they’ve stolen.
We’ll call it “reparations.” Israelis can live there too. As equals. Imagine.
As Jewish people did across the levant before the Nakba, with hope.
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Is Palestine the husband and Israel the daughter?
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“We are not waiting on the Israelis”
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The scheme will take several weeks to put into action, however, carrying the risk of supplying too little relief, too late.
Someone tell Biden that if he actually wants to do something he has a few aircraft carriers and frigates nearby perfectly capable of delivering food
Or maybe Biden doesn’t want to do anything. He just wants to make it look like he does something. Wonder which it could be.
You people are actually braidead.
Please tell me how a frigate, nevermind a fuckjng aircraft carrier can deliver supplies without a fuckjng port to dock in?
The big ship stays in the water, and is used to supply smaller water craft that can ferry them directly to the coast; either by using smaller existing docks, or by simplying beaching on the cost. Unless we are saying that the US military lacks the ability to do a water based ground attack unless the enemy kindly leaves a port for them to use.
There aren’t any functional docs on the strip, the closes is a small marina for small bosts that has no equipment for receiving bulk supplies.
So you would have to load supplies onto lifeboats or ribs, ferry them across and unload them by hand, you wouldn’t even get half a tonne per trip realistically and you spend hours loading and unloading it all.
Or if they happen to have amphibious assault ships in the area, they could move small truck of supplies on to the beach. But this would be a costly and still quite innifecient process. Which is why in any actual amphibious landing as soon as the immediate area is secured the Naval Cargo Handling Batallion builds at least a temporary dock at the landing site as soon as possible.
Aircraft carriers actually have a lot of storage space since they have to be able to cruise around for a long time without resupplying. They have many “smaller” boats surrounding them which can easily transport food if they used their life boats.
If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.
Waiting multiple weeks to build a pier for “clean delivery” is what I would use the adjective in your comment for.
How many tons of food can a lifeboat carry do you think? How does that food get loaded onto and unloaded off the boat? By hand?
If there’'s a will there’s a way. People are actively dying of starvation.
And the US has been airdropping food in. But there just isn’t enough capacity, and Biden has been criticised for not doing enough in that case too. The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.
The real solution if for Israel to allow trucks across the land border and not machine gun residents when they try to collect the aide.
Yes but Biden is actively trying to pretend that isn’t possible and make up excuses why he needs TWO MONTHS to build a pier to drop off food. In the hopes his voting base is stupid enough to believe he isn’t actively trying to ignore the issue.
How is he pretending that isn’t possible?
How is he ignoring the issue? He’s building infrastructure in order to facilitate aid delivery, because his previous action of airdropping aid into gaza doesn’t have the capacity to provide enough food to alleviate the famine, and he only has to find this solution because Israel has ignored his calls to not start a ground offensive in rafah and also ignored his calls for a ceasefire.
So I really don’t get how you can try and spin “he’s ignoring the issue” from all that.
What? The issue is the truck blockade imposed by israel. That’s what’s being ignored.
So what do you think Biden is actuslly capable of doing about that, that he’s currently not doing?
The US and UK (either or) could’ve stopped the genocide immediately – establishing a no-fly zone over Gaza and forcing israel to respect the Rafah border crossing instead of bombing it every time the trucks moved through a little too freely.
They have no intention of stopping this unless Hamas suddenly becomes much more profitable to western interests than Israel.
Just stop Israel and the problem is solved. No need to complicate yourselves with a damn port.
Just consider reality occasionally, ‘k?
Which is? To keep giving them bombs to kill children while also morally posturing and talking about how awful it is what Israel is doing?
“Just stop israel”
Wow I never knew geopolitics could be so simple!!
Yeah, giving them bombs to kill kids is definitely a very complex situation
Yep, they totally give Israel bobms for the express purpose of killing kids. Definitely not to defend themselves against a potential war with Iran or Egypt…
Biden sits in the oval office and twirls his mustache like a cartoon villain as laughs about dead kids. Because the world is just so simple and black and white :)
Funny you say that, cause even fucking Reagan had more of a spine to stop weapon transfers to Israel in the 80s when there actually was a realistic chance of war with Egypt, while Israel was actually at war with a neighbouring country, not with a militant group from one of the regions they occupy that has no means of actually procurring real bombs. But sure, do tell me how Israel needs those bombs to protect itself from… Egypt?
I mean yeah because they used to attack other sovereign nations. And unfortunately 1. Palestine isn’t a recognised nation, 2. Israel has the plausible deniability of this being “self defence”
Then you also need to take into account that Raegans administration was in a much stronger position so had more political capital to spend on those sorts of decisions.
And there was also less pressure to secure Western interests in the region back then. Biden will be under much more pressure from US companies to protect their business in the region weber that’s operations in Israel or oil and gas in the area. And not to mention the weapons companies that make billions off of Israel.
And yeah look at the current regime in Egypt and Iran, they are both religious extremists that are not keen on either western values or Jewish people. And Iran supplies hamas with weapons. Its very much plausible for a war another war to break it if either of those governments decides they want to start a war despite knowing they will lose.
If you drop the self-righteous indignation and try and be a realist, you will see Biden actually doing quite a lot given the circumstances. And so its better to direct your ire at someone more deserving, like the Israelis actually carrying out the genocide, or the weapons manufacturers that are profiteering off it and lobbying the government to keep up weapons trade and aid.
Bro replying to every comment “its not that simple!!!” when it really is, that fucking simple.
Just because you don’t understand why it’s complex, doesn’t make it simple.
Where is Meggido, again?
This is the best summary I could come up with:
US forces will build a temporary port on the Gaza shoreline in the next few weeks to allow delivery of humanitarian aid on a large scale, Joe Biden will announce in the State of the Union speech.
This is a moment for American leadership,” a senior US official said on Thursday, reflecting growing frustration of what is seen in Washington as Israeli obstruction of road deliveries on a substantial scale.
“Tonight, the president will announce in his State of the Union address that he has directed the US military to undertake an emergency mission to establish a port in Gaza, working in partnership with like minded countries and humanitarian partners,” the official said.
In his State of the Union speech, Biden will also announce the opening of a new land crossing into the occupied and devastated coastal strip.
Biden has been fiercely criticised within his own party for the failure to open up Gaza to humanitarian aid, with a famine looming and 30,000 Palestinians dead already since the start of war on 7 October.
“We will coordinate with the Israelis on the security requirements on land and work with the UN and humanitarian NGOs on the distribution of assistance within Gaza,” a senior official said.
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This is a moment for American leadership
Oooooooh shiiiit we know how this plays out
Still, at least the Palestinians have a shot at winning this one then 😂
Oh snap, we invading.
To which Hamas and/or the Israelis will probably start attacking it.
To which
Hamas and/orthe Israelis will probably start attacking it.FTFY
The war machine must play both sides.
So, do we want the Biden administration to continue to work towards supporting Palestine, or do we want them to revert back to a hard defense of Israel and ramp up arms production?
Lemmy users are fucking braindead when it comes to building support for unified movements in America, and it shows time and time again.
This might be news for yall, but a nation of people does not change course overnight.
Yall do realize you are supposed to reward positive actions to encourage more of them right? If you punish people for doing the right thing the same way you punish them for doing wrong, you are just fucking up your own message.
Personally I want America to fuck right off and stop propping up regimes that suit their needs to the detriment of humankind the world over.
I want to preface this with I don’t actively subscribe to this way of thinking, I just want to tell you how the US leadership think:
The main reason the US supports Israel is so they have a western friendly power in the region to counter countries like Iran or Egypt which were historically soviet aligned and now have some awful dictatorial and religiously extreme governments. If they stopped supporting Israel and, say, Iran invaded, somehow wins and puts the whole of that area under there extremist rule, would that be preferable to you?
It’s not preferrable because it is hypothetical, when in reality through their support over the years they could have stopped a lot of the horrible horrible shit (known as war crimes for other regimes) but they did not.
There is a lot of space from war profiteering and genocide support to Iran land grabbing.
They couod have more actively sought a two party state and not allowed everything else Israel did.
Do you know they didn’t? Like do you think it’s possible the US has been negotiating in the background to prevent something worse from happening?
Because personally I fully believe Israel would have leveled gaza decades ago to turn into new settlements if they didn’t have to worry about losing the support of the US. So I think pretty much the only reason they havnt is because of behind the scenes negotiating of the US.
Yes I do think they didnt because they have been selling them arms for decades, sharing information to the point where israel is now probably more capable and can now do what they want.
The current president of America is, or at least was, defending their actions as defensive and calling for unconditional support as he is a “zionist”. Im not buying for a second they had anyone else’s interest at heart.
Okay, so a bit tangential to out main point.
But what do you think would actually happen, if Biden just kinda snapped, and went fully against Israel, said they were commiting genocide, said the US should stop supporting them etc. Etc. What do you think would actually realistically come from that?
That’s not very Cash-Money of you…
Ypu mean ypu want to continue bitching about nonsense instead of pursue solutions.
Yes nonsense is typically the word used for supporting a genocide.
Anything else you want to trivilise? Because I cant really think of worse.
I want the Biden administration to stop selling them weapons and going to bat for them at the UN.
Nuanced voices are rarely the loudest
I want anyone engaged in war crimes to face consequences for their actions tbh.
Cool, I want a billion dollars and a cure for cancer. Lmk when the magical sky daddy starts granting wishes.
What real path to this outcome do you see? What’s step 1?
How do you plan on charging Putin?
Step one tear it all down. Let me know when you get that far.
So you don’t really want these things. You want a do nothing point to bitch about.
What? No I definitely want humanity to fail lol.
How about not shipping arms to Israel with one hand and sending aid to Palestine with the other. Whoever has money in both sides is making bank off of this. If the US wants to be world police then maybe don’t let things go this far before changing stance on the matter. It took a hell of a lot of killing before the US government started to condemn Israel.
I have a 100 dollar auto donation to Trump’s campaign set up. My family was mad at me for that, so I also set up a 10 dollar donation to Biden. That didn’t seem to get them off my back, so in a few weeks I’m going to up my donation to Biden to 30 dollars. For some reason my family is still mad and wants me to stop donating to Trump. Can’t they just celebrate how awesome my donation to Biden is? AITA?
I didn’t realize the United States government was a dictatorship run by an individual.
Shitty analogy that misses the entire point of what I said to make a point that doesn’t apply to the situation.
When the choices are: 1) profit, or 2) profit
Why not do both? /s
In some parallel world, hamas would have such a port already built, because they didn’t spend all their resources on building missiles.
Yeah, but the hot dog fingers tho…
