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I don’t like either candidate, but I’ll be damned if trump is going to be president again and project 2025 comes to fruition.
You guys could just overthrow the government, kill the elite and start fresh. Please do that.
just overthrow the government
That’s far easier said than done, and honestly even saying that feels like an understatement
Oh I know. Probably harder now than it was before the digital age.
Probably harder now than ever. I think the last time it was tried, roughly 2/5ths of the population wanted it and they failed miserably, and they were still using Muskets then.
We could just take out the pharmaceutical manufacturers and the government would expire when they don’t get their meds.
Sun Tzu
Sooooo, basically what trump tried, but its somehow okay because you said it?
By that logic it’s never okay. Some of th best changes in history grew from overthrowing government.
I would say a peaceful change by vote of the people (not politicians) would be a better way than violent revolution. Violent revolution can be justified, but it will end up hurting many people and destabilizing a country. War from internal and external parties would be garunteed. Peaceful revolution is not an easy nor even plausable outcome, but it would harm far fewer people.
Im curious: How does not voting show you wish for revolution? My view is that I’d rather vote for someone who is working within the system (corrupt and broken though it may be) than someone who wants to tear it down and install a dictatorship. Not voting just means you’re complicit and signals you don’t prefer one over the other. I don’t like either, but i definitely have a preference.
Tough question I don’t have an answer for. Both established parties are corrupt beyond measure, pandering to the same group behind closed doors.
what trump tried except, a success, instead of a miserable failure.
How’s the weather in Moscow today?
Look out your window and let me know.
Oh OK. So this is just “extremists are extreme”. Gotcha.
Downvote me all you want, ppl.
Yeah, it seems so, i personally don’t like our system either, but that would have to come down to a vote from the people to tear it down and start over. People dont get to force the issue like trump and many extremists, and apparently, like this other person wants.
Doesn’t the USA technically have 6 parties?
Sure, and a window on the fifth floor is technically an exit. But that doesn’t make it a viable option.
I think a better analogy would be, “a building has many exits available, but only 2 emergency exits. During an emergency, you ‘must’ use the emergency exits… But do you really?”
If the USA population decided to ignore the democrats or republicans, as a whole, and focus their votes on one of the remaining four parties, then you lot would see a different party being elected. Easier said than done. I know. And I’m not blaming any of the USA voting population for this dichotomy.
I’m going to write in your username now.
November Headline: Random Lemmy user declared president of the United States
Can’t be any worse than the current options 🤷
Perishthethought! Perishthethought! Perishthethought!
Ohno
All you need is a running mate. Might I suggest “Deez Nutz.” Their platform is huge.
I sure would love to see some some of these memes leveling criticisms at moderates and liberals for being inflexible.
Hard to be flexible when the whole schtick of the right wing is to actively be bad people
Then it should be easy for liberals and moderates to compromise with leftists and progressives.
I get the feeling I’m mixing my definitions. In my mind liberals are generally allies of progressives and leftists, no?
So in Lemmy and other fediverse services, liberals are typically defined as “left of center.” That’s because a significant portion of fediverse users are progressives (socialists, advocates for social justice within government) to leftists (anarchists, who believe the government shouldn’t exist in the first place, and communists where money shouldn’t exist in the first place).
Goootcha, I was thinking the context was classical liberals who lean more right.
Remember, vote for the guy doing a genocide to prevent the other guy from doing a genocide.
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I think he wants to withdraw all support for democracy
Fffffffffffffffffploppers!
cant wait to be able to vote when someone under 60 is running. That’s going to be a really cool day. Like 30 years from now.
I would personally be happier with 20 something year old presidential candidates over the current trend of the battling octogenarians. At least the 20 something year old politicians would have to live a long time with the ramifications of their decisions and actions.
Its still not ideal, but I would take it over these incredibly out of touch seniors. They should be out enjoying their retirement and last days on Earth, anyways.
there is definitely something to be said about the known future impact of legislation for younger members.
The majority of presidents have been under 60. Obama, Clinton, Bush 2, Jimmy Carter, JFK, both Roosevelts…
Only Trump and Biden have been over 70. Regan missed it by like 20 days.
only one of those have been recent. hillary might’ve been younger but we all know how that went lol. bush 2 electric boogaloo would’ve been pretty close though.
What is recent? W. Bush was four presidents ago, Clinton was only five presidents ago. We’re only on our 46th president since Washington was inaugurated in 1789, 235 years ago. When you go through presidents that slowly, it’s easy to have your sample thrown off if you just include a couple of decades.
Yeah I felt like including anyone older than the 1900’s was cheating considering people back then died in their 60’s from having bad teeth back then, let alone bloodletting.
recent as in, 10-20 years. Bush technically counts. Maybe. I didn’t do the math.
Either way my point here was that it’s absurd that our candidacy choices are between two elderly men.
Just to explain my math point a bit more, let’s take the definition of recent by decade, where all presidents serving within those decades count:
- 1 decade (2014): 3
- 2 decades (2004): 4
- 3 decades (1994): 5
- 4 decades (1984): 7
- 5 decades (1974): 10
- 6 decades (1964): 11
- 7 decades (1955): 13
- 8 decades (1945): 15
Even going back fairly far, we still have a pretty small sample size to draw conclusions for presidents specifically.
I agree with you on the age issue as a broader problem. There we have a solid sample. We’ve become a gerontocracy at the federal level especially, with the older generations holding onto power far past when they should have moved aside to allow in new people and fresh ideas. People in their 80’s and 90’s holding on to seats clogs the pipelines so that everyone else is prevented from moving up.
every so often i remember that there are still probably silent generation members in the government, and that statistically, the vast majority is gen x or older, broadly across the government.
It really makes you think.
You should run
For president, or away?
im thinking generically, probably whatever is closest.
i would run. You have 30 million dollars for a campaign?
I could chip in a little lol
Please make more IT Crowd
Please don’t, that never works out
I mean, Ayoade might make it work… then again, his style has changed a bit with the years.
Weird is all I’ve got… that and a sweet style!
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It’s easy to understand the leftist claim that liberals always ultimately bend to fascism when you see comments like this that explain the US’s turn to fascism is because of leftists(?).
You comprise one of the two sides who blindly vote according to the principle of “he’s better than the other guy”. I suspect you’d be fine with more genocides in the decades to come only insofar as they’re committed by democrats. Meanwhile, actual leftists will continue to imagine better systems, build mutual aid networks, and arm vulnerable comrades. American electotalism isn’t going to stop the backslide into fascism or the ecocidal intent of the US ruling class.
Agreed. And if we look even a decade into the future what happens when leftists and progressives voters suddenly start dominating primaries? Are moderates and liberals going to show up in the general elections then? I think we all know the answer.
Fascism isn’t a possibility, it’s a guarantee and it will be moderates and liberals who are to blame.
I’m voting for the PSL this year! 😊votesocialist2024.com
E: wow, so much for democracy 😔
Both candidates are a joke & without voting reform it’ll stay as a cabal for the donor class, lobbyist, & corporations. It costs about $10 to mail my ballot to my very red-&-ain’t-changin’ domicile… so I’ll just keep my $10 & buy 6 made-to-order meals instead.
Local elections are also very important and really need participation. Like if you wanted that fee for mail-in voting to go away that would likely be a decision made by local politicians.
And without voting there’s no hope for change for the better
Congratulations on ensuring our system has a harder time improving
I would agree but I spent very little time in my domicile & haven’t set foot within US borders in years. Seeing that I don’t pay (local) taxes or otherwise participate in the local community or economy, I would argue it would be unethical if I did vote in a place that doesn’t represent me & I don’t understand too well—like voting straight ticket without looking into any candidates. Last time I did a mail-in, I only checked State-level boxes since those you can easily research online & are more broad-reaching than the local level where only locals should be casting ballets for their community.
If I could vote on issues that actually affect me, I absolutely would—like FBAR reforms where you aren’t seen as a criminal for having more that $10k in a foreign bank where you actually have your address, tax reforms that took TurboTax out of the equation as the only ‘affordable’ option that actually lets you file with a non-US address instead of a no-service error, or Medicare/Medicaid reform that allowed vouchers or reimbursement for using services abroad rather than it being a money sinkhole you pay into your whole life, even if you don’t live there, but can’t redeem any care unless on US soil. These are never ballot measures & instead requires, ugh lobbying or a representative willing to champion these topics seen niche despite there being more citizens outside the US than some States in population.
That’ll show ‘em!
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i’ll vote for nobody. nobody cares! nobody is honest! nobody for prez
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