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They don’t contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).
That’s not true. Some examples: WebKit LLVM clang Anything here: https://github.com/Developer-Ecosystem-Engineering
You mean like their recent Wine patches, which they trough over the fence instand of working with the community? WebKit was forked AFAIK for open source projects etc. Perhaps Apple conforms to the letter of the law, but they for sure don’t play nice to the spirit of OpenSource. Finally: Given what they borrowed from the *BSDs, I don’t see Apple being a contributor to the *BSDs in any way.
It’s mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.
being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.
I agree with everything else you said but this is just flat out incorrect.
I just thought since that’s how the iPhone works it would apply to MacOS as well, sorry.
You can’t upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can’t upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.
I’m with you, it’s just Cool to hate on Apple or whatever.
I wish macOS was a well managed Unix system.
Several reasons:
- Almost all of their products target the high end market (and even then, they are known to make stupid decisions to cut off high end use cases).
- OSX tends to be opinionated on certain settings and it is hard (or impossible) to change them.
- Many of the built in software only work if you exclusively use Apple products.
- Apple simps.
On point 4, I hear way more from Apple haters than I do from Apple simps
Really? Back on Reddit, every time I said something about Apple, I get at least 5 comments saying how “that isn’t a problem”, “lol you have no idea” and things like that.
Especially the head. phone. jacks. Oh my, the mental gymnastics were unforgettable.
Even in you’re own example, it sounds like you’re the one going out of your way to complain about it
All you’re complaining about is that people disagreed with you when you removeded about Apple lol
I don’t really care about Apple itself, but rather how they can screw over everyone with shitty practices and people will still defend them.
Headphone jacks are just a very glaring example of that ;)
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Thanks for proving my point.
You are literally suggesting how you have fixed (or rather, worked around) the issue… by suggesting another much more expensive solution. Pretty much just like the other comments I mentioned before, except that they were suggesting wireless headphones, or buying dongles, or any of that jazz.
I just want to charge my phone while I’m wearing my headphones, without having to buy any external dongles or gasp external DACs.
Apple set a terrible precedent for other phone manufacturers by removing the headphone jacks, they showed how they can screw over customers and people will still sing praises for them, it’s baffling because it’s a blatant attempt by Apple to promote their own wireless headphones!
Although it’s been better now in the Android world, but there was once when those companies touted “lack of 3.5mm” as a feature.
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I don’t care what anyone says. On a user level MacOS is by far the best ready to go experience. I love using Linux Mint and I wish I would use it full time to be free of corporate OS’s. But that’s not the case and Mac is well ahead in my eyes.
KDE plasma
Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.
It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.
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My dude, if you find you need to “babysit” Fedora or Ubuntu, I’m kind of doubting your tech literacy - i.e the basic level of tech literacy you need to operate macOS or Windows with.
And also, just because something is UNIX doesn’t make it good. Shout outs to HPUX.
Also, Apple is tracking you on macOS and iOS, similarly to Google and Microsoft. They call it telemetry, but are you SURE they don’t collect identifying information and canvas you?
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Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding?
Linux with KDE.
I am literally forced to use Apple at work. I can life with an iPhone, because I use it just for its intended, dumped down usage and I overcame the annoyance about Apples fascism (alternative web engine). If you are not able to automate 100% of your setup on a proper UNIX machine, please do the programming community a favor and switch your line of work. Apple is such a shit show: no keyboard driven workflow w/o extensive customization, how the fuck can I automate 100% of the the setup/customization, why the fuck do I have to upgrade every fucking single program interactively with a click, why are the package managers homebrew and macports as shitshow like Linux 25 years ago, why is macOS so bloated and fucking slow on a machine, why is the development experience for mac worse than Visual Studio 6 (!), Finder is such a sad joke compared to file managers on every other OS or DE, why can I not easily enable transparent file compression when I am a grown up user etc etc etc. Seriously, macOS is nice for consumers with too much money. The literally only thing macOS does which I envy is the tag system which works. Don’t get me wrong, Linux is also a shit show, but compared to macOS it is like the best thing ever.
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Then you are far above the threshold, because Ubuntu desktop and Fedora desktop are easy and widely supported by hardware nowadays. No tinkering necessary.
macOS is fine, for now, but with the direction Apple is going right now with all the spyware they’re putting on iOS, I’d rather start using something else than get caught off guard when they start doing the same with macOS. I still have a MacBook, but I’ve long since switched to using Linux as my main system, so when the day comes and Apple decides to install spyware on macOS, I can ditch it in a heartbeat without shedding a single tear. Also, I’m not a big fan of the lack of options and customisability on macOS. I get that it’s meant to help non-tech-savvy people so that they don’t break their system, but at least make a toggle that’s lets you turn all of that off for those who knows what they’re doing.
Lastly, Linux distros like Fedora or Mint is very easy to use, and at least in my opinion, entirely negates the argument that “Linux is hard”. It’s only as difficult as you want it to be. The only major roadblock is support for common proprietary apps, and while I don’t usually use them, I’ve heard that they’ve become far better recently. As a cherry on top, it’s lighter and, best of all, has no spyware.
You’ve forgotten an important point: the price gap between apple and windows machines has closed significantly. A similarly-performing windows machine is now a similar price, if not more expensive, than the equivalent mac.
Because they’re such a heavily walled garden.
It’s great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.
From my experience with people that are very pro Android vs the pro iOS crowd, it’s just that they’re trying to justify their own choice by uplifting the OS they chose and sometimes tend to focus only on the negatives of the other OS. The same can be said for the various desktop OS crowds.
I’ve used both Android and iOS, as well as Windows and MacOS (and intend to try Linux at some point) over the years and I never thought one was generally better than the other. All these OSs have different target users and that’s ok. Just because you’re not the target user for OS A, doesn’t mean that OS B is objectively the best OS for everyone. It’s just the best OS for you. And why people feel the need to bash other people’s choices or even make fun of them for it is beyond me.
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Spyware
Windows isn’t afraid of tech, but MacOS is? Give me a break, the Unix style terminal is the reason for using MacOS professionally.
Depends on the person. Most of the people I know who use MacOS, use it as a glorified Facebook machine. Outside of perhaps Word, they only use the web browser.
In my circles it’s used exclusively for software engineering. Mostly by people who like Linux but don’t wanna deal with any instability brought by customizing your install.
What kinds of customization create instability on Linux but are still possible on Mac?
Computers are a tool and people use it for the needs that benefit them.
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Honestly, most windows users I know at least know where their files are stored and stuff like that. Average Mac users don’t know if something is synced with the cloud or not and can’t unpack a rar archive without calling support because they are deliberately kept dumb by that restrictive, overly oppinionated, lock-in OS and unrepairable, un-upgradable hardware ecosystem. I’m using linux as daily driver on laptop and desktop for almost a decade now and I hate windows with a passion, but mac manages to be even worse. Although windows is also getting worse with every version since win7, so they might be on par soon…
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The rar example was pretty random because I encountered that once. Also, I have t admit that I also know windows users who haven’t got the tiniest clue what they are doing. I just feel like it’s even worse on mac because the OS is more oppinionated and tends to hide even more complexity from its users without actually solving it. Windows also has got some horrendous default settings btw., e.g. hiding file extensions in explorer and searching through documents content when using the explorer search bar.
Yeah this used to be the case up until the early 2000s. Then Microsoft started making Windows much less technical (e.g. instead of showing
Error: HRESULT 0x80070002it just showedSorry, something went wrong :(). Conversely, Apple started exposing more tooling for MacOS, e.g. tracing, terminal, etc. instead of just showing<bomb picture>if something went wrong.To quote a designer friend of mine ‘Apple is the king of average’. :-P Most people I see using apple don’t even understand how shitty the UI is if your workflow is keyboard driven (snap windows w/o 3rd party programs for example.)
I’m not sure if my experience is any kind interesting or not, but here goes. This is coming from the perspective of a software engineer.
After using Windows for a few years, I switched to macOS for several years before needing to use some Windows-only software and switching back.
I always hated using iPadOS, and for a long time, I assumed this was primarily due to the lack of windowed applications (as well as the lack of software that was truly competitive with Windows/macOS offerings, at least at the time).
On the other hand, my experience with macOS is just the opposite. As soon as the feature was introduced, I started using applications exclusively in fullscreen whenever possible. This is partially the fault of macOS’s vanilla window system being unhelpful in several regards, but that doesn’t explain why I now miss it on Windows.
Yes, I know Windows now implements comparable multitouch gestures, but in my experience, it is terrible to use. The scroll speed is far too fast and cannot be changed independently, AFAIK. And maximized applications still have to choose between a persistent window border and a borderless mode that comes with its own pitfalls. I really don’t like it, but I still use alt+tab 99% of the time, just like I did on XP and 7.
I think the root of the problem is that you can only physically look at one thing at a time, but fullscreen applications work best in multitasking when the time spent switching windows (including the time spent consciously thinking about it) is minimized. iPadOS sometimes takes longer and the gesture is uncomfortable to perform on a tablet. Windows gets it wrong in how much you have to keep an eye on it. macOS, in my opinion, gets it just right.
bro why is kali in the “you have no life” section ?? Everyone knows ethical hackers get all the girls
Please, please, PLEASE do not use Kali as a daily driver… The maintainers and the organization and every hacking role-model and educator on the internet says to not use it as a daily driver. You want Debian Testing if you’re that worried about having debian-like features but getting a rolling release
I went to school in cybersecurity (ended up being a run of the mill web dev) and the people who ran Kali knew the least. I blame Mr Robot
Guess I don’t have a life.
Use btw I Arch.
I use Arch btw
i use linux BECAUSE i fear technology…
maybe more accurately it should be ‘understand’ technology, but then why would windows be there ?
You fear the people that really own the technology, not the technology itself.
thats where your wrong. i fear both
thats where your wrong. i fear both
What an odd take.
Every dev I know must be terrified of technology as they all use apple laptops. I don’t love apple but they make a pretty sweet *nix laptop for dev work.
My shop is about half and half, and I wouldn’t say that the devs with macs are afraid of technology, but I would say they don’t look real comfortable using a command prompt…
lol it’s the opposite for me. many people use terminal all day every day and run Linux VMs if necessary.
I’m posting from an actual abacus.
why the heck is gentoo isn’t in no life section but Kali is???
Because rl gentoo penguins rule? 🤷
epic
Exactly. Kali is just Debian
It’s more about gaming compatibility for me.
I know Linux had been making great progress. But not every game runs well on non mainstream OS’s.
Has Gentoo stopped being the distro of choice for people with too much time on their hands?
Compiling the browser or figuring out how to not trigger qtwebengine-dependency. No time to post anything.
I thought that was Arch, but it seems like NixOS is stealing all their users
Linux is to main stream -> OpenBSD
NetBSD is love, NetBSD is life.
What benefits do you have using Unix over Linux?
I don’t think OpenBSD is Unix, both unix like. For a usecase, I don’t know if there even is a scenario where you would want OpenBSD as a desktop user, other than preference. I guess it would feel a bit like gentoo.
What benefit would it have as a server or anything else compared to Linux? I’m not in the biz so I really don’t know.
Me neither
Facebook has an os?
If not /s, then that’s Fedora lol
Was not /s .
That’s the damn FB logo. Lol
I don’t know much about it lately, but aren’t Fedora and Ubuntu considered bad nowadays? Mint imo was absolutely great every time I used it except for proprietary drivers needing extra reboots(might be different now)
AFAIK, Fedora is considered stable and is a great choice.
I think Ubuntu has turned to garbage with whatever canonical is doing but I do think Linux Mint is pretty great
I have no control over my Ubuntu’s updates just like with windows. I’d have to ditch snap if i understand properly, which would effectively deUbuntu my Ubuntu. They have a fairly heavily proprietary focus which is also bad.
Come join the Mint gang
I need to leave the ADHD gang first I think lol.
I don’t really know if they’re bad, since I haven’t touched either in years, but they’re both definitely easy distros to get into for beginners who dont want to spend hours configuring their system, thus them being in the yes part of having a life.
I don’t know why someone would call them bad. Especially if you’re trying to install them on non-mainstream hardware. There’s just more support for them.
My own journey to Linux started with FreeBSD. Want to talk about hard to find drivers? Now I have two laptops running Ubuntu and Mint, with Ubuntu running as a VM on Win10.
Fedora in the ‘has a life section’? Yes, having to reinstall an old version of shim-x64 on an encrypted disk, because the new version breaks the handover from UEFI to bootloader (and therefore even rescue mode is not accessible) is something that everybody is able to do in an instant.
Or dealing with a crashing window manager, getting your Bluetooth headset to work in a stable and predictable manner, etc.
I’ve had Fedora as a daily driver for over two years, switched to Manjaro because I grew tired of having to deal with a constant stream of issues and crashes. I won’t say that there is anything inherently bad about Fedora and I may have had a stroke of bad luck, but it is relatively bleeding edge and therefore one should expect issues to pop up from time to time.
Works on my machine
I’ve been using fedora for about 2 years as well, absolutely the best and most stable Linux experience I’ve ever had. Been using Linux as my daily driver since about 2008
