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President Vladimir Putin said Russia had a “sufficient stockpile” of cluster bombs and reserved the right to use them if such munitions, the use of which he said he regarded as a crime, were deployed against Russian forces in Ukraine.
Ukraine said on Thursday it had received cluster bombs from the United States
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Both sides have been using them from the beginning. This is just a combination of Russian amplification and the actual news cycle.
incorrect, the Ukrainians have not been using them but they will be using them pretty soon.
they already do https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/151ae0i/ukrainian_unit_immaterium_showing_the_employment/ https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/1504ulh/cluster_munitions_used_against_russian_trench_line/
and also i remember an isolated incident of using cluster shells hitting russian trenches, because it was only few this could have been captured ammunition. there was only 20 submunitions each or so, so this had to be something smaller (like 122mm howitzer or maybe 120mm mortar). this one is 7 months old already https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/znp5hy/condensed_video_of_airburst_artillery_attacks_on/ (longer version https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/zn7io8/russian_troops_absorbing_artillery_fire_ukraine/) however, this doesn’t have to be so, as Ukrainians manufacture their own cluster shells and some could be sourced from euro countries, like Poland or Bulgaria, but more importantly Turkey
i found another example https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/13uw2kp/russian_position_targeted_with_cluster_munitions/ this had to happen in spring judging by lack of leaves on trees
Yes, that too on civilians. Now Putin is pretending none of that happened.
Putin: “Russia will use cluster bombs if we have to, we already have, since the beginning, but we will still use them if we have to.”
Has Putin watched too much Mitch Hedberg?
They already used them.
I was gonna say. I distinctly remember that the only reason cluster munitions were sent was in response to Russian ones targeting civilians.
They were using cluster munition from very beginning. There were videos of cluster munition being used in cities with civilians. In the infamous Kramatorsk railway station attack russia used cluster munition for example. Which is what makes putin’s statement quite misleading. It’s effectively lying by omission.
That’s incorrect. It’s because conventional ammunition is running low AND they hope the cluster bombs will help to break the Russian lines/trenches.
They’re already using them.
Ukraine is using them to clear minefields planted by Russians who illegally entered the country for the purpose of mass murder. I think we can give Ukraine a pass on what type of munitions they think will be useful for saving lives.
you’d need submunition to hit mine directly, if you want to use boom for demining, you’re looking for something like MCLIC or UR-77 (this might be a little bit counterproductive in build up areas). unless you mean EOD techs using submunitions as a donor charge, but this makes little sense, as you can use about anything to do this, including random recast AT mines and pieces of busted ERA bricks. repurposing DPICM elements this way would be unnecessarily dangerous operation
conversely, if you use DPICM in combat, you might need to clear that area before your own troops even move in, in some cases. because of large number of these elements some will fail and it might pose risk to advancing force
Ukrainians using DPICM is good, because it shortens time russians will be able to shell civilians, plant minefields and spread UXO
and also to clear the russian trenches of russian soldiers
Definitely agree
He followed it up by saying that if Ukraine doesn’t watch their step, Russia may need to send troops into Ukraine too.
Whoa settle down Russia next they will be saying they are going to try and take kyiv in 3 days.
They already used them and already committed countless war crimes.
The people claiming Ukraine is committing crime were just distracted when Russia used them on civilians? Anyways the Ukrainian Government already stated that they will not be used in towns and cities but only to clear minefields
Distracted? I dunno. Russian propagandists/bots seems more likely.
Even at the bar I tend, filled with “conservatives” that think Donald was cheated out of the election, there isn’t anyone who believes Russia is in the right.
From what I read the main purpose of cluster munitions is for offensive maneuvers, so my hope is Russia will be too busy (and unsuccessful) holding their frontlines to make effective use of them.
Can we just draw and quarter Putin already?
