We all want that, the difference is that we understand how this political system works well enough to know we can’t have it.
If you’re advocating for overthrowing the government, dropping little internet comments isn’t how one does that thing.
If you’re actually hoping to elect a third party president simply by helping them get more votes spread out across every district despite them having few to no reps in other branches of the federal government and hardly anyone in local governments, you have an inadequate understanding of the system you’re hoping to affect.
If, on the other hand, you’re just using rhetorical gambits to discourage progressive voters in the upcoming election, I take back any implication that your comments are pointless or wrong. This is exactly how you’d go about that goal, great job.
we understand how this political system works well enough to know we can’t have it
I will say it:
FUCK THAT.
Can’t have healthcare.
Can’t have social security.
Can’t have minimum wage.
Can’t vote for normal people.
Can’t stop billionaires from taking everything.
Can’t make anyone responsible.
Can’t have anything, while understanding that the system is set up for you to fail, and you will defend it because otherwise the system fails.
The system is failing right now on so many levels. The fascists taking over is the normal progression of the system, and I’m sick and tired of people saying ‘we cant change it, it will hurt more people’.
Sick and vulnerable people are being held hostage to stop any meaningful change, despite them being fucked even now.
Same with the retirements being held hostage to stop reforming the stock market.
Putting words in my mouth won’t change the mess we’ve got on our hands. We want those things and we can get them, but not immediately (absent a millions-strong general strike) and not without a fight (another Blair mountain, probably worse).
I’m not trying to deter you. I’m talking about what’s in our way.
You’re literally having an internet tantrum at this point. We’re all angry, dude. I would LOVE a third party candidate, but this is NOT the election to do that.
Sure it is. At the local level. There are a small number of greens in office in city councils and such, but their website shows a roster that is mostly on school boards and small committees. This is not a party that is ready for the big time. The fact that Stein keeps running for president rather than building from the ground up tells me it’s currently just an operation that turns well meaning dollars into a perpetual grand gesture. I’d like to see that change.
I’m not american, I’m not saying don’t vote Biden. If you can, make sure you do.
I’m saying I’m just tired of pretending this is going anywhere. It’s not. The climate catastrophe is upon is, billions are going to die, and those who survive will fall to fascists within two decades tops.
Just the notion that Trump, convicted felon, twice impeached (yet never removed), is a serious contender for the presidency, is absolutely fucked beyond imagination.
What in the bloody hell did we do wrong to get here? How are we going to correct it? Is there any way to solve just this one issue, out of the pile of other civilization-level threats?
We all want that, the difference is that we understand how this political system works well enough to know we can’t have it.
If you’re advocating for overthrowing the government, dropping little internet comments isn’t how one does that thing.
If you’re actually hoping to elect a third party president simply by helping them get more votes spread out across every district despite them having few to no reps in other branches of the federal government and hardly anyone in local governments, you have an inadequate understanding of the system you’re hoping to affect.
If, on the other hand, you’re just using rhetorical gambits to discourage progressive voters in the upcoming election, I take back any implication that your comments are pointless or wrong. This is exactly how you’d go about that goal, great job.
I will say it:
FUCK THAT.
Can’t have healthcare.
Can’t have social security.
Can’t have minimum wage.
Can’t vote for normal people.
Can’t stop billionaires from taking everything.
Can’t make anyone responsible.
Can’t have anything, while understanding that the system is set up for you to fail, and you will defend it because otherwise the system fails.
The system is failing right now on so many levels. The fascists taking over is the normal progression of the system, and I’m sick and tired of people saying ‘we cant change it, it will hurt more people’.
Sick and vulnerable people are being held hostage to stop any meaningful change, despite them being fucked even now.
Same with the retirements being held hostage to stop reforming the stock market.
And I will say it again:
FUCK THAT.
Putting words in my mouth won’t change the mess we’ve got on our hands. We want those things and we can get them, but not immediately (absent a millions-strong general strike) and not without a fight (another Blair mountain, probably worse).
I’m not trying to deter you. I’m talking about what’s in our way.
that is what my grandfather says
his grandfather is the one who repeated that line to him
not repeating that line to my children
And the dipshits on the right listened for the last fifty years and got Roe overturned.
Giving up because you aren’t getting exactly what you want right now is how you lose everything.
Tell them whatever you think they’ll listen to. Best of luck to you.
You’re literally having an internet tantrum at this point. We’re all angry, dude. I would LOVE a third party candidate, but this is NOT the election to do that.
Sure it is. At the local level. There are a small number of greens in office in city councils and such, but their website shows a roster that is mostly on school boards and small committees. This is not a party that is ready for the big time. The fact that Stein keeps running for president rather than building from the ground up tells me it’s currently just an operation that turns well meaning dollars into a perpetual grand gesture. I’d like to see that change.
I’m not american, I’m not saying don’t vote Biden. If you can, make sure you do.
I’m saying I’m just tired of pretending this is going anywhere. It’s not. The climate catastrophe is upon is, billions are going to die, and those who survive will fall to fascists within two decades tops.
Just the notion that Trump, convicted felon, twice impeached (yet never removed), is a serious contender for the presidency, is absolutely fucked beyond imagination.
What in the bloody hell did we do wrong to get here? How are we going to correct it? Is there any way to solve just this one issue, out of the pile of other civilization-level threats?
I’m losing my mind just thinking about it.