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    Why would they panic? They’ll just play their usual pigeon chess: knocking the pieces over, crapping on the board, and flying off to announce that they have won.

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      They saw him during the State of the Union and it didn’t match the clips and memes from their echo chamber that they live in.

      They tried to blame drugs (pigeon chess) and no normal person has bought it. They don’t have a plan B for when people actually hear him talk.

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    Ate out with the wife tonight, and got an unexpected political back-to-back: the restaurant had CNN playing on one end of my field of view, and Fox on the other.

    CNN reported on all kinds of shit. Every time I looked up, different topic. They went back to the upcoming debate and the Gaza genocide a couple times, but otherwise just an even spread of unfolding events.

    Fox spent most of the time talking about how left wing media will spin the debate to make Trump look like an extremist; and then a few small snips about how illegal immigrants are terrorizing our society and getting our youth hooked on fentanyl. They even managed to bitch about Hillary lol, although I missed the context… assuming they’re still rambling about emails.

    People who watch Fox must be terrified and angry like all the time lol.

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      I completely missed the “with” in your first sentence and, wow, I had some thoughts and feelings which I am glad I didn’t share without re-reading what you wrote first.

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        I did the same and this comment made me look again. Was bout ready to say does this guy have a news kink? Lmfao

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        Yeah, I was wondering which restaurants this guy was able to eat his wife out at. Every time I’ve tried I get the old, “Sir, this is White Castle, even we have standards.”

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    I say, test both of them!

    They should both be tested for drugs often, the working class is forced to undergo drug testing, why not the owner class as well, they are ‘civil servants’; by multiple people and organizations, that would be fun to see differences in reports and writeups, even more if data is shown on what chemicals are in their system.

    The claims arrive as Trump himself changes his tune on how well Biden may perform at the CNN debate. Having previously called Biden the “worst debater I have ever faced,” Trump recently told the All-In Podcast that the president will be a “worthy debater” and that he does not want to “underestimate” Biden on Thursday.

    “If President Biden needs to take performance enhancing drugs in order to participate in this week’s debate, then it is imperative that he and his physician disclose that to the American people,” Jackson said. “CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

    “CNN’s people leaked debate questions to Hillary Clinton in 2016,” Grenell posted on X. Grenell was making reference to previous reports on how former chair of the Democratic National Committee Donna Brazile gave notice to Clinton’s team about a debate question ahead of her 2016 debate with Trump.

    Responding to the incident, Leavitt told Newsweek: "CNN cutting off my microphone for bringing up a debate moderator’s history of anti-Trump lies just proves our point that President Trump will not be treated fairly in Thursday’s debate.

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    I really want to know the specific “performance enhancing drugs” these people think Biden is using. No hand-waving. Be explicit and tell everyone what magical drugs these are and then let’s test them both for these drugs.

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    Ive heard IRL people say its rigged because apparently mics will be turned off if it isn’t their turn? Idk if thats true but I’m fully behind the idea personally lol.

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      The interruptions, while “entertaining”, should not exist in a debate so consequential. I feel like high school debate clubs have more decorum than any presidential debate in the last 16 years. Mic cuts are absolutely needed.

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        Idk. I was in a highschool debate club a bit over a decade ago, and I was very good at the public forum event. Like, regularly in the top 32 for both the NFL and CFL national tournaments good. There were other people at the top of that ladder with me that made very effective use of the “pound the table” strategy, and how well it worked often boiled down to judge variance. People act that way in debates because it absolutely works on some viewers

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          I was just making a joke to highlight the bullshit presidential debates have become, but I get what you mean. Shouting IS effective.

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      That is true and a common rule to prevent someone from just talking over everyone else. It doesn’t mean they’ll just get cut, at least not at this level. They’ll finish their piece and then the mic is turned off while the other person is responding.

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    texas rep. Ronny Jackson is among those who have demanded that Biden take part in a drug test before and after Thursday’s debate. Jackson, who served as Trump’s White House physician and medical adviser… [said] “If President Biden needs to take performance enhancing drugs in order to participate in this week’s debate, then it is imperative that he and his physician disclose that to the American people,” Jackson said.

    In that case, anything that you wanted to disclose to the American people there, Ronny? It’s always just breathless, impotent projection…

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      Does anybody else find it a little sad that Ronny Jackson simps for Trump when Trump can’t even remember his name when talking about him? Or did he just change his name to Ronny Johnson so that the god-king doesn’t have to be wrong?

      I mean, I would find it sad if I weren’t completely out of sympathy for these Trump sycophants who let Trump talk shit about them publicly so that they can cling to power a little longer. Especially the shitheels who criticized Trump and now find themselves kissing the ring and bending the knee to get that VP nom.

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        Find it all sad, would be more sympathetic though if they weren’t literally fascist psychopaths that want to burn down the world so that nobody can directly focus on the fact that they are bald, broke, gay and their father never told them, “I love you”.

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      projection…

      Hmm, so Trump needs before and after debate drugs? Of course amphetamines would be the classical far right choice, but then there’s the whole opioid crisis thing going on… choices, choices…

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    Both of these guys are ancient. I wouldn’t care if any of them used drugs (as long as they don’t pose long-term risks for their health) because they might as well be medication. Or are we going to be so dense that the idea that two 80 years olds are likely taking some medication is going to fly over our heads? Furthermore, where do we draw the line of what a “drug-enhancing drug” is? Coffee? Most adults take it to function under inhuman schedules. Adderall? If you do have ADHD, you do also need it to function; if you don’t have it, it’s going be even less useful than coffee. Anything else that they bought at a pharmacy? I don’t care.

    All in all, this looks like a talking point made up by people who want to treat politics like a sport, where we’re supposed to watch “athletes” compete with equal opportunity for performance, which is definitely not what a presidential debate should be about.

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      They’re more likely using “wakefulness promoting agents” like modafinil and armodafinil (Provogil/Nuvigil respectively, or probably some better shit in the same class) which are actually kind of amazing and I have zero issue with them taking it.

      Non-euphoric, and as far as I’m aware, not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert, I don’t know how else to describe it. Essentially none of the side effects (pleasurable or not) of traditional stimulants. After about 8-10 hours you sleep pretty ok.

      I’m really not sure why these drugs haven’t become more popular over the last decade or two… Probably the whole “not habit forming” thing.

      I’ve got a stash that I’ve had in a drawer for 5+ years and I’ll take one like three times a year or something as needed.

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        not physically habit forming; it just keeps you awake and alert…

        The military would like to know your location as it keeps having problems with minor issues like sailors falling asleep while driving ships.

        Jokes aside, these are incredibly habit forming in the wrong environments. Under supervision and attempting to stabilize your sleep schedule they’re great. But the abuse envelope is huge, from truckers to cops.

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      This is kind of obvious and I probably don’t have to say it but…

      Trump is doing this to weasel his way out of a debate he shouldn’t have agreed to. No way in hell Trump subjects himself to the same drug test. He’s betting on Biden not agreeing to it either so he can just say “well those liberals are obviously playing dirty so I’m out”

      The drugs in question are necessarily irrelevant

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        You are definitely right that this is a manipulative move on Trump’s part to make Biden look bad and get out if this debate.

        But aren’t most people in their 80’s on a bunch of drugs anyway? Like blood pressure pills, cholesterol medicine, diuretics, arthritis medication etc? I’m not trying to stereotype older folks, but every person I’ve met over 60 seems to take a lot of pills… that help them live and perform actions they couldn’t otherwise.

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      Um Adderall is not less useful than coffee for non-ADHD peeps.

      Edit: reading other comments, I see what you mean. For dementia/clarity, no, but just wakefulness, yes it does something.

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        As far as I know, Adderall for people without ADHD induces the self-perception of higher performance, yet increase in performance isn’t actually statistically noticeable, so it might be useful for someone who feels emotionally stuck (afraid of failing, tired), but not for someone who does not have the capacity to do well, much like caffeine only gives you the self-perception that you’re less tired than you actually are.

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          i dunno dude, one time I got a gram of basement crank and was excited to try it, so I horked a rail right before band practice. our lead singer/guitarist was like “yo your drumming is so tight today, youre on fire!” and I was like “speed!”

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          I mean, fighter pilots are given them to stay sharp on long missions. You think that’s because they’re emotionally stuck?

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            Every fighter pilot I’ve ever dated was emotionally stuck. Or “stalled” as so many of them insisted on calling it.

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      Use of stimulants like amphetamine or methamphetamine, which are both drugs prescribed for ADHD comes with many side effects. When abused they deteriorate the brain and body quite strongly and they have many psychological problems associated with them like delusions, developing a lack of empathy, disorientation…

      80 years old should definitely not do speed, even if it is doctor prescribed.

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        They’re likely not using amphetamines, but rather (ar)modafinil or something else in that class. Which have very few side effects.

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    If Trump is going to challenge Biden to a mental coherency test, why doesn’t Biden challenge Trump to a bicycle race or a 2k run? After all, Trump has declared himself the healthiest President in history. (But a race like that would have good possibility of causing Trump a heart attack… which would of course be an unfortunate outcome).

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      Yes very unfortunate. Certainly nothing to wish, pray, or perform dark rituals for. Certainly not.

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    They should only get to wear underpants - tidy whiteys! Nothing bulky or absorbent!

    Trump should have to wear an orange jumpsuit with a serial number on the left breast and “INMATE” stamped clearly on the back.

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    It’s not like the test will be fair or legitimate anyway. Look at the whacks they currently have rubber stamping the two bastions of health and mental stability.

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      Rubber stamped? Biden gets trashed because he’s old, talks slow, has a stutter, and all they see are edited clips.

      He has way more scrutiny than an average person. It’s so bad that Republicans are accusing him of using drugs because they heard him give a speech and literally couldn’t believe he could be coherent.

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        Rubber stamped because his rich you fucking clod not to mention been in us politics for 50 years, I’m sure he knows perhaps a Dr. Or has a connection who owes him a favor. He could shove an ice cream cone up your ass and his “expert” would declare it warm. You would probably agree.

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    Dumb framing. They aren’t panicking, they’re framing the results so they can fit them to their narrative no matter what happens. Biden wins = he was on drugs, no way senile and incapable Biden could win otherwise. Biden loses = full proof he’s senile and incapable.