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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/20911849
By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST
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Damn she should probably change her policies to not supporting genocide if she wants those votes
I won’t blame someone for not supporting a genocidal pig.
Anyone parroting those tired talking points who thinks Trump would be less of a problem for Gaza or the Palestinians needs to get their head examined.
Trump has already demonstrated that he’s Netanyahu’s bitch.
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My truly white-hot take is that if I had to choose between Palestine being reduced to ash and losing me and my family’s rights and Palestine being reduced to ash and me and my family not losing my rights…I’m going to take the option that involves me and my family not losing my rights lol.
And, to be frank, if I had to choose between helping a million strangers I’ve never met or not, with the lives of my family and friends on the line, I’d probably pick my family and friends over the strangers, regardless of the issue.
You can moan and cry all you want about “you are voting for genocide” or whatever - the fact is that the world is much larger than Palestine. Other things are at stake here. How the fuck are all those Palestinians (who are still going to be bombed by the Republicans btw) going to deal with climate change as its effects worsen when a Republican administration takes power in the US and rolls back all our climate protections and attempts to mitigate climate change? The global poor are FUCKED if we don’t handle that shit as best we can ASAP. Full stop.
I’m personally not interested in fucking over every other person on the planet for Palestine. Is the genocide horrible? Yes. Should it be stopped immediately? Yes. Do I want it to stop? Also, yes. But can I in good conscience actively utilize my vote to wring my hands over genocide and allow an even worse scenario to play out? Fuck no.
There are more things at stake here than just Palestine. Shit sucks, but that’s the world we live in and there won’t be magical change just because you wring your hands and screech on the internet about how random people are “supporting a genocide by voting for Kamala” when any person with half a brain can see that the Republican party has acted the same way in the past and will actively accelerate it when given the chance (remember when Trump pissed everyone off by moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, effectively recognizing the stolen land there?). Grow the fuck up and see that the world isn’t so simple - sometimes there are no good options, only mildly less shitty ones.
I’m going to be blunt and straightforward about this.
According to Wikipedia, Islam is the third largest religion at 1.1% at about 3.5 million people. Compared at Judaism is at 2.07% at about 7.5 million people.
On the issue of supporting Israel for their horrible acts on the regions surrounding them, morality aside and by just looking at the numbers, if you get 100% of the Muslim American support, you would need about 2 million Jewish Americans to break even.
Which I think is more doable than ignoring the Muslim American population and hoping 47% of the Jewish American vote offsets the 3.5 million Muslim American vote.
Also if they have to appease the corrupt war companies that fund the party, just send the weapons to Ukraine.
I saw a poll 3~6 months ago finding israel is ranked like the 4th issue for American Jews. The overwhelming majority don’t care about it enough to change their vote for it. They certainly won’t vote for Trump over a Democrat arms embargo on israel.
That’s interesting and happy to hear that.
Considering that the KKK endorsed Trump, their only option is either voting third party or not voting if they decide not to vote Democrat.
Remember that many of those Jewish Americans are either anti-zionists or don’t care either way. Meanwhile almost every single Muslim American cares about the issue and will likely vote Democrat if they do anything but actively cooperate with genocide.
If just going by votes, it makes me wonder what is holding the Democrats back from getting the Islamic American voters.
It can’t be just be the war companies, they can just send those arms to Ukraine.
Hundreds of humanitarians and journalists were murdered in Gaza. That should be enough not to support them.
Israel serves a geopolitical purpose destabilizing the Middle East and suppressing development of rival countries (e.g. assassinating that nuclear physicist in Iran).
Take it from Biden: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYLNCcLfIkM
A lot of Israeli money. AIPAC is just the most well known.
Israel is a country-sized military base that mostly pays for itself, and has one of the best intelligence agencies in the world (or maybe their rivals are just that bad). If Israel didn’t exist the Middle East would probably be much more united by now under the leadership of one or two regional powers instead of everyone but Iran and Syria being a US proxy.
You can’t just look at the total numbers and %'s because not every vote has equal weight, the way the electoral college is set up and fptp elections means votes in contested states and districts count for much more than if you’re from a highly partisan area.
Because Trump and his party are known for being so supportive of Gazans. Idiots. Things DEFINITELY won’t get better under Trump for anyone.
Have they not thought about how much worse Trump will be? They are dark skinned immigrants they will be persecuted here and he will let Israel do what ever it wants to the Palestinians.
Trump: bans Muslims from the USA as one of the first things he does as president. Muslims: he’s our guy!
What makes you think they support either genocidal candidate? If
hitlerharris wants those votes, she just has to stop supporting genocide; it’s not that hard.Unless you think demanding someone to not support genocide is too much?
Republicans: literally write “finish them” on Israeli bombs.
Lemmy.ml users: the important thing to learn here is not to vote for the more leftwing candidate. Only by giving electoral success to the most right wing party will we convince the more moderate party to move left. They will see the right win and all the polling show that right wing policies win elections and will realise that they should do the opposite of what the republicans did to gain power.
Trying to use Gaza on either candidate is stupid. Genocide is a US thing, it has nothing to do with political parties.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
If anything we have more chances of seeing change once Kamala is in office than Trump.
This isn’t even hopium it’s just straight up delusional.
Do you know what “if anything” means in this context? It means we are unlikely to see a difference between parties, if we do (which we wont) it would be more likely to be on the democrat side.
Youre delusional to think a Trump admin wouldn’t be far worse for Gaza and Ukraine
She is part of the current administration and has not been against all the weapons we send israel to kill innocent people. If anything we had peace during the trump administration. The proof is in the pudding!
The proof is indeed in the pudding, Trump spent 4 years disbanding state, federal and international protections, as well as getting cozy with North Korea, China and Russia. Topping it all off with an attempt to overthrow the government, stalling the succeeding administration
Then he openly admits he would add Ukraine to the list of US supported genocides. You aren’t making the argument you think you’re making.
