We (me with a friend) created this page https://openwebdefenders.org and planning to create banners for websites that may want to inform their users on what’s going on.
If anyone wants to contribute somehow or have other ideas I would be happy to discuss on https://github.com/openwebdefenders/web/issues
Do you use browsers other than the mainstream ones like Chrome or Firefox? Third-party browsers, especially those that prioritize privacy or offer unique features, might be labeled “untrusted,” limiting your browsing experience.
This suggests that firefox will be trusted, because it’s mainstream, which is not true, because Mozilla won’t implement WEI, and therefore malicious websites won’t be able to verify “environment integrity”
Besides that, nice website and thanks for your efforts on fighting with WEI.
Mozilla won’t implement WEI
They are going to fight against WEI. Tooth and nails, for our sakes!
Just like they did with EME, the closed source video DRM in 2014. By being deeply concerned with the direction the web is going, and definitely against it, but…
We face a choice between a feature our users want and the degree to which that feature can be built to embody user control and privacy.
With most competing browsers and the content industry embracing the W3C EME specification, Mozilla has little choice but to implement EME as well so our users can continue to access all content they want to enjoy.
Despite our dislike of DRM, we have come to believe Firefox needs to provide a mechanism for people to watch DRM-controlled content.
DRM requires closed systems to operate as currently required and is designed to remove user control, so Mozilla is taking steps to find alternative solutions to DRM. But Mozilla also believes that until an alternative system is in place, Firefox users should be able to choose whether to interact with DRM in order to watch streaming videos in the browser.
https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/drm-and-the-challenge-of-serving-users/
https://hacks.mozilla.org/2014/05/reconciling-mozillas-mission-and-w3c-eme/
I am not convinced Mozilla will refuse to implement WEI when push comes to shove. Mozilla already supports Netflix playback with drm, right?
But isn’t it quite the jump from mozilla accepting drm from a service in an indistry that has invented drm to them accepting a blanket drm for the web? I think it’s kind of not guilty until proven for mozilla. They have so far (to my knowledge) not done anything very anti consumer.
I’m just saying we can’t just trust Mozilla leadership will do the right thing…
Nah, I say we don’t run around villainizing everyone and stay with thos who fucked us over in the past. Otherwise we can trust exactly no one.
That’s exactly right. Don’t blindly trust anyone. Hold them accountable.
Take a look at this
I am glad to be proven wrong. Thank you for the link.
web is not movies and tv shows.
Change the sentence “Do you use browsers other than the mainstream ones like Chrome or Firefox” because Firefox is already a very small third-party browser.
Thanks for pointing out. Will definitely consider your feedback!
How is Firefox a small 3rd party browser? FF is the basis for browsers like libreoffice, icewolf etc… it is not 3rd party, it is first party like chrome, opera and safari. Actually if you want to go that far, chrome actually started off as a fork of opera
Firefox is used by less than 3% of the users, it should not be used in this sentence. Also I’m not sure they’ll implement the integrity thing, which is another issue.
They won’t implement this, see this comment on github
I agree Firefox doesn’t have a large share of the browsers, but if you are basing it on user share then the only mainstream browsers are safari and chrome. However, the term third party is generally utilized as a fork of a primary access point or is the access point via another means, even if it’s original.
For example, the apps to access lemmy are third party as they are not created by the original devs for lemmy. In this argument FF is classified as first party not third.
Don’t get me wrong I understood what you were trying to say, but based on your reply then pretty much chrome would be the only mainstream browser.
And that’s exactly what Google wants. Everything already works best with Google Chrome, so what’s wrong a little more incentive to convert more users into using a telemetry-laden spyware browser?
very true, but if you remember correctly a similar thought process killed IE, and is now harming Edge on windows. The only draw back is everyone wants to use chrome, not realizing how much info they are handing out to Google. Many just don’t care, and yet they will gladly complain about privacy on other matters.
Exactly.
Firefox had over 30% some time ago and it still is to spec, often more than chrome is.
I understand what glad_cat means, and they are kinda correct. On the other hand, FF (at least, for now) won’t be implementing this change.
I do too, but his reasoning is flawed. Based on his reasoning that would be saying Lemmy is a third party site because it doesn’t have the user share that Reddit does.
Microsoft’s edge browser is a fork of chromium, it’s not even first party anymore, like IE was.
This is a nice analogy. Thanks 👍
You’re welcome
I would consider changing the sentence not because Firefox is not mainstream, but because Firefox is also at risk for not implementing WEI.
In the end many might consider Firefox mainstream - not in terms of its current user base that change every year - but because a large percentage of internet users recognize the Firefox name. But being mainstream or not - and what that means - is not that relevant here.
I don’t know about web environment integrity or where this will lead but I remember the time trusted computing and TPMs came up. At this time, people were really scared that this is the end of Linux (on PC). Today, I use secure boot (with my MOK) on my consumer distro just fine.
Had Trusted Computing happened as it was originally envisioned, you wouldn’t be. You’d be using Windows because that’s the only operating system you’d be allowed to use.
And now here we are again, facing down a plot to extinguish FOSS competition under the guise of security. Yes, it’s happened before, but that doesn’t mean the outcome is guaranteed to be as favorable as it was last time.
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I like this, but I would appreciate a definition of “the web environment” somewhere near the top.
