Looking at you, streamers and angry defenders of Japanese ‘fanservice’ games.
Tldr :
Japanese make game with sexual content.
Western journalists: “disgusting. This needs to be censored.”
Japanese gamers: “no”
Europeans make game with sexual content.
Japanese gamers: “hypocritical much?”
Western journalists: “OMG, stop making a big deal out of nudity in games. Isn’t it time we accept it?”
Japanese make game with sexual content that sexualizes minors. You left that part out.
I also left out the part where the western journalist says the bear bestiality scene “wasn’t that bad. It was pretty tame”
Yeah, that scene that the game cuts away from and doesn’t show you. Yup, that’s totes the same thing.
Name one Japanese game released in the west that had an explicit sex scene with a minor.
They edit it to age them up to be technically legal. C’mon, don’t play stupid.
Are you talking about visual novels?
I can read Japanese, so I can check the Japanese version and see what age they used there. Just one example is fine.
I know that there is lolicon in Japan, but this doesn’t get released in the west, nor is it intended for a western audience.
I’m talking about a game published with western audience in mind, that has a scene involving a minor that you consider to be worse than an implicit sex scene with a bear.
The games that tend to get criticism are games like the dead or alive xtreme volleyball series. Do you think those games deserve the criticism they get while bg3 doesn’t?
I also can speak and read Japanese because I’ve lived here for over 20 years. There are many games that aren’t visual novels that have had characters specially aged up for their western releases.
And stop moving the goalposts. The article was clearly talking about games that have been released in the west, originally intended to be or no.
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Does it have to be released here? RapeLay had you rape a 12 year old.
You’ve posted that same link like 5 times now as a gotcha
Rapelay is just straight up porn and wasnt even intended to reach the west, and any western equivalent would get the same treatment because rape porn and lolicon altogether is illegal in the west. I don’t think anyone is upset about that game being banned or censored. It is not even being distributed in Japan anymore.
No it is a porn game that was designed by a Japanese company. There is a difference between westerners complaining about this and the nudity in BG3
Maybe Rapelay?
Was it a bear sex scene in that a player character has sex with a non sophont bear, or was it a bear sex scene where a player character has sex with a sophont druid in the shape of a bear. These are so incredibly different things that it needs to be stated before I can form an opinion.
It’s with a druid in bear form, and you have the option to ask him to switch back into his regular form.
Oh alright. So completely fine then, from the sounds of it. That being the case im realizing a lot of people don’t actually understand consent or why bestiality is bad.
They both involve made up characters in a made up world, so in my opinion they are the same.
Well if you want to manufacture outrage and put zero further thought into your philosophies and convictions that is certainly one of the first takes you might stumble across.
I mean, you’re complaining about bestiality in a game and then don’t care about consent? A strange take to be sure.
Oh you’re one of those people that think fictional characters deserve human rights.
Also, no, I am not complaining about bestiality in a game. That is not the point I’m trying to make.
Oh so you’re just here to argue not actually engage in anything productive. Got it.
Do fell free to explain what your point actually is. Or don’t, you’re clearly just a contrarian.
Did you not get the joke about having sex with a bear was pretty tame
Or you know the one that has you rape a 12 year old.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay
Hentai games are an entirely different level of fucked up.
Yes that game is fucked but that is one game out of millions and far from the norm. That’s just bad faith.
I am going to just leave this here. It’s a rough link just as a warning as it discusses a Japanese game where raping a 12 year old is part of the game.
Are people really mad about nudity, or are they just mad that it’s not all het nudity?
Edit: ok so after some research, looks like full nudity is an optional setting, and all body models (male or female) can have dicks or vulvas. Which makes me think there’s an anti trans component to complaints as well.
They’re mad that Japanese games get criticism for sexual themes, but not western ones. Examples being Dead or Alive and Street fighter characters where panties and bikinis are shown. No one is mad at the nudity itself of BG3.
“Sexual themes” in those games seem to exist just for the gratification of the (het male) player, as evidenced by the people getting mad when a game desexualises its characters after release. I haven’t played baldurs Gate but as far as I can tell nudity in the game isn’t there just for the eyes of the player, it serves a purpose in-game and in-story. edit: and at times (like in the character creator) it’s not sexual at all
Do these people get mad about the nudity in those games in general, or do they get mad about those games almost exclusively reserving that nudity for women? Because there is a difference. I haven’t played those games so I’m genuinely curious.
For me, it’s definitely option 2. I really like the way Dark Souls handles it, where the armor sets looks the same on both genders, and everyone can be as tart or as modest as they like.
Maybe there’s a case to be made for a setting in BG3 that pixelates the naughty bits, but looking through youtube comments on BG3 romance scenes (for science!), most people seem to think the nudity is funny more than anything else. The few complaints about nudity really seem to be about the fact that they have to look at a dick/gay couple, which i don’t have too much sympathy for.
The type celebrating nudity in baldurs gate are usually prudes who argue for censorship, oppose nudity and sexual content, etc when it comes to Japanese games. Sane people are pointing out this obvious hypocrisy.
It’s not hypocrisy because a lot of that “censorship” is over things like characters that are underage or consent issues.
You really wanna talk about “censorship,” well, in Japan, in Cyperpunk 2077, the entire section that lets you pick your genitals is cut out of the console releases and you can’t get the dildo weapon because you’re not allowed to show genitalia on consoles because consoles are seen as being “for children.”
Locking this thread as the discussion seems to be devolving.
