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this is so historically illiterate it’s laughable. What genocides did lenin commit lmao

Ask yourself why they would want to separate the left

Oh, i’m sorry, zionists are leftists now?

Zionism is a settler-colonial ideology which its goal is establishing the state of Israel on the Palestinian’s occupied land.

“If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? […] They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?” — David Ben-Gurion

“You are being invited to help make history. It doesn’t involve Africa, but a piece of Asia Minor; not Englishmen but Jews… How, then, do I happen to turn to you since this is an out-of-the-way matter for you? How indeed? Because it is something colonial.” — Theodore Herzl draft to Cecil Rhodes

Zionism (the belief that Israel has a right to exist) is fundamentally incompatible with leftism. Fighting with zionists isn’t left-wing infighting, it’s punching right.

and who benefits from that.

Leftists do. movements do not need zionist liberals muddying and diluting it until it’s meaningless. “Leftists” who believe Israel has a right to exist are right-wing, and should be fought against with extreme scrutiny.

Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.

big fucking emphasis on the parenthesis lmao, because nobody is doing that here. Calling for death to nations is not literal. Death to Israel does not literally mean evaporate each and every Israeli. It means dissolve the state of Israel. The people, imo, can stay. Whether hardline zionists can live without dying of bitterness in a free Palestine is not our problem, it would be their choice.

And, you have not responded to any comments showing zionism is inherently evil, but have made snarky weak edits. Israel has no right to exist, if you don’t agree, fine, but don’t lie through your teeth and say you are anti-zionist or a leftist, because you are objectively not.

Also, “extremist” is just a term centrists/centre liberals use to never want to change anything. No shit most leftists are “extremists”, what, you want to vote our way into socialism? lol

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Trolling = Being Against Genocide

World’s Smarter Saurkraut everyone

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and if you don’t support nuking israel, you will be banned for supporting the genocide.

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here is it https://lemmy.zip/post/58054095/24326297

In Germany, after national socialism, we have very strict rules on how you are allowed to talk about it,

ah yes the “im just following orders” defence the favorite of the saurkrauts.

I wonder why people compared ICE to the gestapo?

the Gestapo (Secret State Police) actively deported people, playing a central role in the systematic roundup and deportation of Jews and other perceived enemies of the Nazi regime to ghettos and extermination camps during the Holocaust

The Jewish population in Nazi Germany never launched rockets at Germans, in fact, jewish people in Nazi Germany were exceptionally peaceful.

Warsaw Ghetto Uprising jews actually did fought back against being exterminated by the Nazis, or do you see them as violent extremist too?

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to the saurkraut, to be against genocide is a form of authoritarism

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Oh nooo, not ze poor dbzer0 zionist users, who lost the previous vote to 85% of the instance, thats just like ze Maga

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No

Yes

And i bet you believe the Ku Klux Klan isnt a racist organization because their leaders say so too?

Unlike you i actually bother to read and investigate, here is an article about how your favorite country has participated in Palestinian genocide since its “redemption” https://www.tni.org/en/article/germanys-support-for-the-israeli-occupation-and-genocide

Down With Zionism and Friends of Zionism

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Lil bro: describes a free marketplace of ideas

Big bro: calls them out for describing a free marketplace of ideas

Lil bro: StRaWmAn FaLcY I didn’t saay “free marketplace of ideas” I simply said "we should have open lines of communication with Nazis so that we can debate and harass each other in open and hostile combat, thus treating their ideas as equal to our own and worthy of being heard at all in the hopes that through pure intellectual fortitude our ideas will drive the nazies out of business… I mean bankrupt their ideas… I mean make them go away! All the while giving them direct access to our communities most vulnerable population for literally no reason!’

BRUH

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Where’s your free market place of ideas now? Out of stock? Bankrupt? Need to be bailed out? Pathetic.

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No one is hiding from problems, but flowers do not grow in a battlefield. They’re trampled. You need to have safe retreat, a place to teach, cultivate and grow. Inclusion means ensuring safe harbor through the exclusion of bad actors. I’m here now in the trench, but I do not have to live in the trench. Don’t you get that? I have a place to return to, a place to regroup, discuss, laugh, be marry in dark times. What you’re advocating for is a horizonless battlefield, with no end in sight. An endless sea of torment and combat with no safe harbor. And for what? “The market place of ideas’”? What a joke. What a dated and dead concept.

The notion of a “free market of ideas” is as mythical as the notion of a free market of goods. Both conjure up an image of a bazaar in which many small producers sell their wares on a more or less equal footing. In fact—be it commodities or commentary—to reach a mass market you need substantial sums of money to buy exposure and distribution. Those without corporate media connections end up with a decidedly smaller clientele, assuming they are able to survive at all.

– Michael Parenti

This idea applies to these modes of communication as well. The ideological expression of an instance is at it’s core the ideological view of it’s administration in the abstract. There is no equal footing. Zionist instances will ban you on Zionist grounds. Creating an “inclusive” space for Zionists and their cohort. You can not “win” a debate in their realm as they always have the administration on their side.

The same is true for db0. This motion is simply the negation of the contradiction between wanting to maintain an inclusive and welcoming space for Palestinians, anti-zionists of all stripes, Muslim and Arab peoples; and the open federation model of activitypub.

The people who want to get into the trenches will. For those who don’t, db0 is finally a safe harbor for those listed above. Free from having their identities, their lives, their humanity debated for the sake of the free market of ideas.

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Im glad you are showing you admin engaging in the comm of a known zionist who did palestinian genocide denial for 2 years until it became unpopular and was also a voat user and Watch People Die mod .

Not only that but you admin also accused with no evidence 3 accounts of being the alts of a troll which lead to one of them getting abusive dms

But sure, i bet you sauerkrauts think that makes you look like a non zionist bar

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