This meme is brought to you by someone who has no clue what iOS can do.
Can you elaborate?
iOS has privacy features built in. It has iCloud private relay which is essentially a VPN, and has dynamic IP and MAC addresses to limit tracking. You can also install profiles to modify your DNS however you want, just like on android without a jailbreak.
I’m trying to that it is easier to be more private on android by setting methods such as DNS66. dns66 acts as a VPN so It can’t be blocked by network providers. it is hard to setup measures to protect you privacy on ios and there are not many reliable methods in place on IOS without jailbreaking
You don’t have to jailbreak an iOS device for privacy feature like DNS profiles, limited IP and MAC address tracking, and VPN routing of traffic.
Ik that but I wonder what the person that comment meant. BTW, have a look at rethinkDNS (You can combine it with dnscrypt either)
Can iOS be bootloader unlocked? Can it be rooted?
Probably - but not as easy as your android device. Ask the black hats if they prefer their victim on iOS or android - it should help identify the most insecure device.
An OS is as secure as the user. Android gives the user freedom while iOS is very locked down
No - that would only be true if both OS are equally secure in the first place. No matter how you behave you are limited by that. So equal behaviour on each system does not yield the same result.
Freedom is not security or privacy, but sure you (or someone else) can change your dialer on android and that can’t be done on iOS.
Freedom is not security or privacy, but sure you (or someone else) can change your dialer on android and that can’t be done on iOS.
Technically you’re right, but I guess op meant that that freedom let you degoogle the device pretty easily, which turns it so much more private.
Talking about privacy on stock OSs is a waste of time because we all know both Google and Apple are getting lots of data from their avg user.
I’m not sure you can compare the is to each other. It’s like comparing Ubuntu to Windows and say they are equal as you can demicrosoft windows.
I’m not sure you can compare apple to Google either. One gives away their os for free and make their money from user data, the other charge their users silly amounts and make their money from devices and cuts of app publisher’s sales. To me that’s a big difference.
As any user can install an app that “takes over your internets” without rooting there’s only trust keeping other apps from doing the same. Customisation comes at a cost, and many people don’t understand that.Apple does still spy on the users (like scanning their files to pretect the children)
I’m not sure you can compare the is to each other. It’s like comparing Ubuntu to Windows and say they are equal as you can demicrosoft windows.
That’s simply not true. You can install either Linux or Windows on your Desktop, but when you buy a phone you basically stuck with the OS. (You can flash LineageOS but it’ll still be android)
I’m not sure you can compare apple to Google either. One gives away their os for free and make their money from user data,
Not sure it’s true either, I heard that companies have to pay for Google for putting Google services on their smartphone lines. I might edit to add a source later.
As any user can install an app that “takes over your internets” without rooting there’s only trust keeping other apps from doing the same.
But when it’s open source and reviewed, while being backed up by bodies like mozzila (looking at you rethinkDNS), it’s way better than your other options. Also, if you don’t trust and app just don’t use it? Web versions are good enough for most cases. And there you have Mull (hardened ff for android) with uBO to protect you.
Technically you’re right, but I guess op meant that that freedom let you degoogle the device pretty easily, which turns it so much more private.
That is what I meant
Technically that would make it expressly LESS secure. Is that your aim?
Regarding privacy, Apple does end to end on the vast majority of their services. Their servers are set up using a unique, physical key, that is then broken so once running, no one can get to the data.
Apps are sandboxed. Most every sensor or feature is gated behind a user setting to allow/deny.
But the most critical, Apple is a hardware company. The lions share of profits come from hardware. Google is an ad service/data manager. Probably one of the biggest reasons they dove right to amassing market share by licensing the OS to everyone outside Apple. It certainly helps their vested interests.
Trust whomever you like, but most things are true to their nature. Whether you want to believe it or not.
If you root a phone then you can remove alot of insecurities and also if you unlock the bootloader you can install something more secure like calyxOS
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Privacy on graphene os
I’m patiently waiting for my 4th Pixel 5A RMA since they love frying motherboards outta nowhere but damn once you get grapheneos going it really is something else
The operating system that Google created to collect your data is secure? Not unless you get rid of all the Google services.
Don’t confuse privacy and security. Android is a very secure system.
Android is AOSP, it has no Google at all. Don’t confuse OEM ROMs and Android Open Source Project. As someone with GrapheneOS I can only laugh when someone calls iOS more private
I don’t confuse anything. All flavours of Android are secure systems, but that doesn’t mean they’re all private.
I definitely agree with you that Graphene is more private than iOS, which is probably more private than most OEM Android systems out there.
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So, originally I simply stated that privacy and security aren’t the same, and that Android as a whole is very secure.
And from this, you somehow extrapolated that I don’t know the difference between AOSP and OEM Systems?
Enlighten me.
true, but most think of oem roms when they hear android
When I hear Android, I think of Android. And that word encompasses everything imo. That’s how most people use the word in my experience.
If someone means AOSP specifically, they’ll say AOSP
exactly. i think the term ‘android’ should be used as an umbrella term only, like linux.
“im running linux”
yeah but what distro? same with android
Exactly, but it’s inexcusable when a tech discussion happens. You either know it, or dare to shut up (not you precisely, though). Don’t be a hypocrite, only facts.
AOSP has no Google at all
…? dafuq u smoking?
Android is a very secure system
Except for the ridiculously powerful permissions you need to give most system-type apps in order for them to function (i.e. read and paint over all screen content) because the accessibility APIs are shit, and password manager APIs too fragmented to be useful.
Sometimes the policy of “you will use our API and you will be happy” is actually beneficial for users.
It has its flaws, like any other system. But it is a lot more secure ootb than most peoples’ Windows installation, for example.
Is that a low bar to clear? Yeah, I guess. But it clears it by quite a margin.
IOS has DNS profiles.
For wifi, I was pleasantly surprised that I could set a custom DNS on iOS while still using DHCP for other settings. Can only set DNS on Android if I use manual IP (or just use Wireguard).
Edit: not true, Android can have custom DNS with DHCP, see below.
Does iOS have button to disable camera and mic access all together?
You can’t even install DNS66 from the play store because Google bans apps that block ads. This meme is way off the mark and I’m and android fanboy.
If you are a android user that thinks the only source of apps is google play store, you aren’t a real android user
The meme didn’t mention the play store, anyone actually concerned with this stuff likely also is savvy enough to install apps without the play store.
You can still install it from fdroid or github. And there’s an alternative called PersonalDNSFilter if you really wanted an app from the play store.
You can get it off f-droid
Lol me who just installed nextDNS from the play store
Do you know you can just use the private dns option if you are on Android > 9. I use nextdns too.
Yeah I know :) NextDNS is great!
The whiplash between posts on Lemmy is so great.
Everyone seems to hate google and how invasive they are while simultaneously simping for google’s mobile OS
This shit is so stupid.
If one person believes one thing and another person believes the opposite, that doesn’t mean they’re hypocrites. That means there isn’t a consensus. Besides, android can be better than iOS and deserving of criticism at the same time.
Android can be whatever a dedicated community wants it to be, since it’s open source at its AOSP core.
I love AOSP, but I hate what Google does with it. Or most other manufacturers, for that matter.
Android is less secure then apple tbh its so bloated with Google crap
I don’t see any bloat on my lineageOS phone.
Not custom os stock android
The average android user doesn’t have the ability to use lineageos. None of the android phones in my home even have support. So its not really a fair to talk about lineage when comparing android to iOS.
I could be wrong, but doesn’t lineageos have problems accessing banking apps since its missing some kind of DRM?
Maybe this I’d a solved issue at this point.
Well yeah but from where I see it, I can choose thàe phone I buy, so I choose a supported one.
Also, I’m using microg and most apps work. But I mostly use the website anyway so uBO step in too.
This is such a brain dead take. You cannot compare an OS from one developer to a device from another unspecified manufacturer with no context. No one would claim that a Samsung phone is more private than an iPhone, regardless of the “potential” in the context of degoogling, or the niche privacy switch that’s present on less than 1/10,000 Android devices sold.
Yeah its much more fair to compare pixel devices to iphones. And it still matters if you install a custom rom onto it or not. In my use case yes a pixel is more secure but a lot of people who just go with the out if the box experience may be safer with apple.
Regular Android < iOS < Custom ROM
Stock android ain’t to bad
It’s almost impossible to buy a phone with plain android on it. Google’s version on the pixel is nice to use, but a privacy nightmare
Button to disable all sensors? Which phone has this?
At least i dont have to (cant) use chromium on iOs.
Pretty accurate, though google does collect a lot of data…
Didn’t google only recently get the ability to block apps access to stuff like your camera, microphone, files etc? That was in iOS over a decade ago
No, the app permissions prompts for those things have been around forever, they aren’t remotely new.
Its just now possible to turn it off for all apps with one swipe and on click. Like I know WhatsApp need Microphone access for voicemail, but I can turn off the access for all apps with one click and turn it one for all apps with access when I need it
No, its been there for about the same time ios. A few years ago now they changed it so that the permissions are asked for from inside the app (when X is used) instead of when installing if that is what you are thinking about
