German Conservative Party warns of ‘complete loss of control’ if cannabis is legalized
German government approves controlled legalization of cannabis useLet’s loose control boys!!
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This is very important though. It’s forbidden on EU level. If Germany manages to change this or barrel through, this could open up legalization in the whole EU. Some countries are just not doing it, because it’s forbidden on EU level and it’s hard to get through that.
So I believe, aside from Germans, a lot of European watching closely how this develops and even small steps are already good. We just need to see this through.
So this is to be true legalization and not just decriminalization? Also, hasn’t Luxembourg completely legalized it?
True legalization with an asterisk.
We have a two-step plan.
The first step is possible without changing EU laws, it’s basically something like the Spanish social clubs, but a bit better. People can join clubs that are legally allowed to grow weed and are monitored for quantity and quality. They pay in and then get a certain amount each month. Also we can grow ourselves with a certain amount of plants.
There is a number of random restrictions to appease the conservatives, like no smoking in public in front of a school and to certain times.
The second step will see Germany go head-to-head with the EU, which will be the actually sale in shops and/or pharmacies. For that purpose there will be pilot cities that will start this in controlled measure while the government is ringing with the EU.
In both steps, there is legalization, although with a bunch of random restrictions. Albeit, most people take it over no change at all. And in the end, the restrictions are mostly public, so what you do in your flat or house is your thing and the police can’t get you for smoking and growing there.
Germans will force it to be legal on EU level only after they will dominate the production of cannabis. That’s how it works.
Meanwhile the Netherlands with the historical advantage are letting the train pass them by…
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But then how is it that in ES or NL you can legally buy?
NL is tolarated but technically still ilegal, CZ also have some THC products, but only really little THC content is allowed.
In germany is kinda tolerated also, if the police catch you with some probably nothing will happen -except if you live in sights… Bayern-
So did a lot of US states about a decade ago.
Panzerschokolade’s back on the menu, boys!
eh… I believe you have your controlled substances mixed up…
Yeah I know meth and weed are different, it’s just a Germany=Nazi joke
Germany=Nazi joke
not funny
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The funny part is how Germans react to it
The funny part is how you think the lowest hanging fruit of a joke, which is actually simply an insult, is something funny that people want to read.
It’s just a funny as the “be kid in America, go to school, get shot, parents tip the shooter” meme.
Sometimes I call the fire department and tell them there’s a fire. But there isn’t one!
Ha! Tricked’em!
It’s not my fault you Americans measure in school shooting/McDonald’s²
Ahh good old reddit. At least nobody’s getting banned. I like it.
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I see the “drugs are bad” comment jn your history…
Oppression of drugs is bad and makes the problem worse while criminals get rich.
This is quite literally the way if we want a healthier society with less drug related problems and crime. Asks scientist and people who work gave experience working with addicts.
Criminalization creates taboo, which means people hide from help and lie that they don’t have a problem instead of looking for a way out. They are paranoid to tell their medical professionals the truth because they fear the state and police.
The glorification of some aspects of drug culture is a side effect of this. So yes drugs might get more visible in society but the toxicity in the drugs will be less, the damage they do will be contained, social safety will be more prevalent as people stop hiding their use and help to recognize their problem and quit will be open and accessible.
Your well thought and well written post will likely land on deaf ears.
In my experience, evidence, logical arguments and simple common sense are completely ineffective with the kind of people who think “drugs bad and that’s it” and are convinced that more War on Drugs is the solution. Despite the fact that all the evidence around us shows that it’s not.
I know for the person i commented on its probably to late but if i can get some lurkers that simply not know any better to start doing some research then thats a win.
“We can’t effectively end murder so let’s just allow it, hitmen will stop earning money this way”
To compare getting high to murdering a person might be the most unfitting and dumb comparison I have heard in my whole life.
Both damage someone, even though using drugs mostly (but not only) hurts yourself
That is why it´s a very dumb comparison …
Why is it dumb exactly? All lives are equally valuable and it’s enshrined in Article 3 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Poisoning yourself definitely goes against your right to life and of security of person
Fucking what? Making decisions about my own body somehow violates my rights?
What next, you’re going to regulate my diet to make sure I don’t hurt my own “rights” by eating too many pastries or having too many drinks?
You don’t sound like someone who values individual liberty. You sound like a wannabe fascist trying to control people.
Harm reduction is a well studied principle based on real science.
https://www.samhsa.gov/find-help/harm-reduction#
What sources do you have that legalizing murder will decrease the harm of it?
Therapy for addicts, Jail for murderers, rapist and shady bussinesspeople (and also therapy for all).
Yes, consumers need therapy, dealers need jailtime, but legalising it is just bs
Yeah, so much better to arrest someone for smoking a joint. Prisons aren’t full enough.
damn you suck
Love all the downvotes by closeted drug addicts
The only drug I take is alcohol, I still don’t think someone should be criminalised for getting high.
I especially don’t think that the way to cure drug addiction is to throw people in to prison. Drug problems need to be treated as a health issue, not a criminal one. No happy and healthy person ever woke up and just decided to get addicted to heroin.
No, consumers should not be treated like dealers. They’re not criminals, but victims of themselves that need therapy.
Therapy makes sense when people have problems in their life.
It is very well possible to consume drugs like marijuana without developing a dependance, and especially without getting any problems in life. Which means, without indicating any therapy.
The opposite also happens, and therapy for those who struggle definitely makes sense. It just does not make sense to generalize this way.
If someone uses drugs it’s definitely as a means of evasion, so yeah, marijuana users should go to therapy no matter how they convince themselves and others to be “fine”
Do you drink alcohol? If yes, you need therapy according to your own statement. And so does every single other person on earth who consumes alcohol.
People use strategies of evasions in a zillion ways, most don’t involve any drugs (like making holidays to evade your everyday life), some involve legal drugs like alcohol (e.g. evade your social anxiety in social events). Using evasive strategies on it’s own is a normal part of live and in itself not a sufficient indicator for therapy. If the individual life suffers from it, then yes. What’s the point of doing therapy with someone who is fine, after all? All while people who actually suffer struggle to get any therapy to begin with?
We could also very well argue that all of these ways in which people use evasive strategies would be worth of therapy. I could get behind that (though there are good reasons against it, too), but see no reason to single out marijuana then.
Someone who regularly drinks alcohol to forget how shitty their life is currently being definitely deserves therapy
Making/keeping drugs illegal is the biggest funding program for organized crime there ever has been in human history. Every serious criminologist will tell you that the war on drugs has never done anything against drug abuse.
“Keeping murder illegal is the biggest funding program for hitmen there ever has been in human history”
I invite you to educate yourself on the topic instead of spamming nonsense:
https://www.wupr.org/2018/03/03/why-all-drugs-should-be-legal/
https://un-aligned.org/global-issues/five-benefits-of-legalising-drugs/
https://www.listland.com/top-10-reasons-to-legalize-drugs/
https://theweek.com/articles/445005/why-all-drugs-should-legal-yes-even-heroin
Those seem like 100% unbiased sources that don’t totally want you to think what they think
Talking to you and sharing information with you is obviously a waste of time, so I´m out …
It’s still a good thing to offer a voice of reason when someone spouts nonsense. You may not change their mind, but there are always others who read and are on the fence. Offering sources and reasoning can help a great deal, without any visible effect. In this sense, thank you for your service! o7
If you send me news that are as biased as they can possibly be it’s normal
That would almost make sense, were the majority of murders committed by a hitmen making their living as per the amount of drugs that are sold by gangs.
Most murders are committed without a cash goal in mind, but how many people are supplying cannabis, cocaine or heroin without profit in mind?
To compare getting high to murdering a person might be the most unfitting and dumb comparison I have heard in my whole life
Are you actually claiming cannabis is addictive? Physically addictive?
They seem to believe a lot of nonsense. So i wouldnt take their claims for much.
That said while there is a clinical difference between physically and psychological addiction I personally vouch for a more open approach that different people can experience and suffer from addiction in multiple ways. There is also some evidence that similar to allergies some rare people can be physically addicted to anything.
Unfortunately, they already said blatantly in a response to me that it is physically addictive. I am waiting for evidence.
Yes, and you denying it just proves my point
Can you provide some evidence that cannabis is physically addictive please?
Well, the evidence is the same that makes people struggle to stop consuming alcohol and tobacco
No, that is not evidence of physical addiction. People struggle to stop gambling. That doesn’t mean gambling is physically addictive.
When I ask for evidence, I am asking for an academic study that agrees with you. That should have been obvious.
Then try stop consuming weed for a year
