Military, Militia, whatever the word it is, any society need a force to defend against external threats. I’m not sure how co-ordiantion would work while not being authoritarian and thus inadvetently create a state.
Military, Militia, whatever the word it is, any society need a force to defend against external threats. I’m not sure how co-ordiantion would work while not being authoritarian and thus inadvetently create a state.
It wouldn’t work.
In order to have a military, you’d have to have at least one or more dedicated people, those people would need to be supported with resources and given that it’s a stateless society there’s zero chance that enough people would voluntarily choose to help them to allow them to operate effectively outside of a wartime event without requiring some sort of payment from everyone and then you’re back to having a state.
voluntarily giving each other resources is the basis of the mutualist economy and is literally embodied by the gift economy. what resource-distribution/economic system do you think anarchist societies would have? the militias will get their resources distributed just like any other industry
It wouldn’t work, there wouldn’t be nearly enough contribution to cover a military with any useful amount of force. There’s zero chance you can get tens of millions of people to donate enough money voluntarily to support such an endeavor.
Militaries are extremely expensive, especially in the modern world. In Canada for example we have about 100,000 citizens per aircraft in the airforce, and about half a million citizens per boat in the Navy.
How do you envision other industries get their resources in a mutualist economic system?
They don’t, mutualistic economics doesn’t work at scale because human nature doesn’t let it.
It can work with a small enough group, but will break before you even reach 1000 individuals.
It was how the vast majority civilization worked for millennia until the rise of capitalism. Nearly every pre- and feudal state (and every place where one might think people bartered) used a gift economy until near the Middle Ages’ end. You also seem to be thinking that contributions have to be centralized, and you do need to realize that the abolishment of “hard” property is at the core of anarchism.
Either way, I don’t see how one would think the military is an exception to the economy unlike every other major industry.
Worked for millenia until the rise of capitalism
No it didn’t, we’ve had states for literally six to eight thousand years or more and capitalism for about three hundred years.
States have existed essentially since the moment the population of specific area became large enough to become a city.
Because again, as I said earlier, you can’t have completely stateless groups larger than hundreds of people, if just doesn’t work.
Though I think it’d also be interesting to talk about power, I’m talking about the economy, and unless discussing something that much broader interests you enough to discard talking about the economy and the military for you as well I think we should focus on what we were talking about instead of veering down further tangents.
You asked what would it look like, and I gave you a realistic answer. There’s no way that type of economy could exist in the real world, it’s never been done, and there’s plenty of evidence showing it failing even in small groups of people.