Researchers found low concentrations of so-called forever chemicals in various “eco-friendly” straws, raising doubts about whether they’re an appropriate alternative.

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    Disposable products are gonna have problems to keep them cheap. The solution to straws is non-dispossble straws, always was.

    Also this is still a silly topic, straws won’t save the planet.

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      Or stop using straws all together. Cups/lids can be made differently, so they are more like a sippy cup. You don’t NEED straws. Humans are totally capable of drinking directly from a cup, even without a special lid.

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          Which is the only legitimate use case, but I bet >99% of straws produced aren’t used for that.

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            And you can buy bent straws in multiple materials, which are not intended to be disposable.

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            But no one is going to make straws to serve only 1% of the population. Accessibility features need to become mainstream (or forced into effect by the government) for it to actually benefit people with disabilities.

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          No, no straws for anyone, and take away their special ramps too. It’s all or nothing because that’s the only way my argument works. Color spectrum, exceptions? All I see is black and white.

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              Ivory for an extra dose of cruelty!

              Quick edit: do not use paper straws for cocaine. Porous material will absorb your product. Also heat your surface before chopping, to make the product as fine as possible.

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                Stop making it complicated. Just line it up on someone’s ass and get your nose down in it like god intended.

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            People carrying cash now are worrying.

            (I’m kidding, though I don’t carry much anymore. Enough for some gas or something if there’s an emergency and my card doesn’t work for whatever reason.)

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        Straws are an accessibility need for some humans, not everyone is actually physically capable of drinking directly from a cup.

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          That’s fine, they can have their own non disposables for their own needs. We do NOT need to keep polluting the planet (yeah I know there are plenty of other ways we do it) with EVERYTHING being disposable.

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            Single use bendy straws were literally invented to help keep bedbound and other disabled people alive. There are also many reasons people can’t use different alternatives.

            You personally not using something, doesn’t mean others don’t, and to deny access to a literal lifeline for the sake of 0.003% of the plastics in the ocean (literally a drop in an ocean) because it makes you feel better and requires zero effort or sacrifice (from you), instead of actually acting to resolve the problem (like being anti-capitalist rather than just trying to apply band aids to its symptoms) is not only gross and ableist, but also a colossal counterproductive waste of time.

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            I’m not in disagreement regarding moving away from disposable goods, especially plastic based ones. Just trying to point out the problem isn’t as cut and dry as you suggested. Straws are popular partly because they are more accessible so any solution that involves getting rid of them should take that need into account.

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              No, straw are popular because that’s what we have always been given, and people want convenience. Yeah, a small subset of people may need that assistance, but let’s not pretend that most people are being altruistic.

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        My mother is up there in age, every time she drinks from a cup she ends up spilling it on herself. Im not saying she NEEDS straws, but it sure makes it easier on her.

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          I wouldn’t say that nobody ever should use straws, but there are definitely a lot of people who use straws even when it’s not necessary, like when they’re just sitting in a restaurant eating.

          I can agree that having a straw is easier for takeaway eaten on the go or in the car too, for example.

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        Costco food court lids come to mind. They have a hole near the side where you can either use a straw or drink directly.

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          I’ve never seen those in person, but after an image search, yeah, exactly. I only used starbucks as an example because they are everywhere, and most people have seen them before.

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          As I said, I hate using Starbucks as an example, but they have drinks that are roughly the same consistency, and they are fine to drink out of their newer lids sans straws.

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          So, your suggestion is to continue to kill the planet, because we might inconvenience a small subset of the population? I get it, I really do, it’s not fair for them, but those people can carry reusables if they need a straw.

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            So your suggestion is to let disabled people die because you can’t be bothered to fight the actual problem and just want a feel-good campaign to take part in and to feel superior to others with?
            At least be honest…

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              No, as I have said in MULTIPLE other comments. Straws exist in other flavors than plastic or disposable. Non disposables also come in a variety of shapes. People can use those. Where did I say they shouldn’t have something they need.

              Like I also said in another comment, people who “need” straws now all just died of dehydration before plastic/disposable straws existed?

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            Capitalism resists regulation, and races to the bottom. Two people, providing identical goods and I’m direct competition, will race to compete on price. If one manages to skirt regulation and the other doesn’t, the one who cheated will win.

            This will compound on itself until it overtakes an entire economy, and that’s where the US is now. Every corporate entity with the means to do so actively lobbying to defeat decades of proven regulation in the name of profit.

            It may not be by design, but it is in practice.

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            Except that someone putting capital up is looking to maximize their return. Obviously they want more back than what they put in. Given endless greed, you have a feedback loop where they put less and less in while getting more and more back. Those improper regulations are caused by those same people paying to prevent regulations or to have those regulations work in their favor.

            The Soviet Union was not a communist country because the means of production were not owned by the workers but instead by the state. The state being made up of a few privileged individuals who were the greedy bastards of that system.

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                Greed is not inherent to humans, that’s just a lie sold to you by the greedy. I’m happy with what I’ve got and I’m not looking to collect mansions, yachts, trips to space, etc. Most people are fine with a modest lot in life and don’t relentlessly pursue unhealthy amounts of wealth. It’s a sickness.

                You can keep putting in less and less until the system breaks. This is what we’re seeing now. Cracks manifest in the form of gross wealth inequality (i.e. massive power imbalance) and all the consequences that entails. These greedy sickos will push the system to the limit and give back as little as they can to maintain power.

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                    Pretending that your assertion is correct that communism always fails and that it’s because of greed, that still doesn’t mean greed is inherent in humans. All it takes is a few bad actors to ruin any system, if given enough power. Capitalism is failing right before our eyes due to this tiny minority of billionaires and capitalism had already failed due to a tiny minority of super wealthy in the past before it was rescued in response to mass protests that threatened revolution.

                    Speaking of salvaging terrible things, the wealthy used to build hospitals and libraries only as part of reputation laundering. They will do nothing unless they feel threatened. You’re focusing on tech in particular, but it’s a feature inherent in the ultra-wealthy. They will do only enough to save themselves and continue holding their position of power, otherwise they continue pushing limits.

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      We really need to change the way that consumers consume things. People need to stop acting entitled to everything they want immediately and with every convenience available.

      Maybe people should start travelling around with their own straws. Have a craving for an iced coffee?? Well either bring your own metal/silicone reusable straw or deal with drinking straight from the cup. Be responsible and stop expecting corporations and government to solve every issue and maintain the lifestyle we have had the past few decades.

      Things need to change in order for the world to get better, and maintaining the same level of convenience and consumption is unfortunately not something that we can afford.

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        Single use bendy straws were literally invented to help keep bedbound and other disabled people alive. There are also many reasons people can’t use different alternatives.

        You personally not using something, doesn’t mean others don’t, and to deny access to a literal lifeline for the sake of 0.003% of the plastics in the ocean (literally a drop in an ocean) because it makes you feel better and requires zero effort or sacrifice (from you), instead of actually acting to resolve the problem (like being anti-capitalist rather than just trying to apply band aids to its symptoms) is not only gross and ableist, but also a colossal counterproductive waste of time.

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      Yeah nah. Non disposable straws are just going to become disposable straws that take up more material and are more expensive. Just like the “reusable” plastic bags they use at the grocery store now.