Archive article: https://archive.ph/LJPiZ

A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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    1 month ago

    The thing is: I can understand them.

    If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time, being targeted for anhiliation and now, having a somewhat safe nation for not even 80 years within a sea of other nations wanting to destroy them… well, i absolutely can understand them to ensure their safety whatever it takes. Yeah, it may not be pretty (or to be more precise: Often outright gross), it may not be “fair”… but i can understand that they don’t want to take any chances.

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      1 month ago

      If you are part of a minority that was trampled on for a long, long period of time,

      It’s anti-semitic to conflate judaism with zionism. Zionists were collaborating with the nazis and using the holocaust to steal land in palestine during ww2.

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      Oh you so empathetic. I guess you can understand the Hamas attackers on October the 7th, too then? Right?

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        Oh i can understand them also very well… but this doesn’t change anything. Neither side is “good” or “bad” over there, both sides have very good reasons to keep on fighting.

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          No, I think the side using starvation tactics and bombing civilians is pretty bad. Sounds like war crimes to me in terms of definition we’ve all agreed upon.

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            How about the side using suicide bombers and defaulting to terrorism? Shooting unguided rockets into the general direction of a city also does not scream “good guys”, am i right?

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              Who’s actually using terrorism? Maybe the terrorists that have murdered tens of thousands of children? Expelled people from their homes? Stolen land and still stealing more in several countries?

              I can’t even imagine being this dumb. Phony account probably.

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        I care as much about the Palestinians as i care about the Israelis… from my personal point of view i have as much emotional investment in them as with any other people that kill eachother in other parts of the world, so not very much.

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          No you don’t. If you care about both you would advocate for ending the occupation instead of saying that you understand that some jews want genociding palestinians who has nothing to do with the nazis that almost genocided them .

          It’s like you if you where alive during Nate Turner revolt saying I care about both salves and slaves owners

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      Well that fear is being exploited by those with more sinister motives.

      Just because you can understand how we got here doesn’t mean that it’s ok, or even inevitable.

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        I think at this moment the total annihilation of one of the two sides is ineviteable, too much blood has been spilled too much atrocities were conducted on both sides.

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      I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.

      I mean if I grew up being told the neighbor was a dangeous crazy heathen that is hell bent on killing me. And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence. I would want them gone no matter if they had a good reason or what not.

      Article is walled, so I couldn’t read it. But I bet the questions were setup to differentiate expelling them from killing them. So I can understand a lot of people wanting the Palestinians gone. That doesn’t mean the same number agree with what is being done to make it happen.

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        And that neighbor occasionally threw explosives over the fence.

        What if they’re throwing explosives because you occasionally murder your neighbors by the dozen?

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          They’ve been taught from a young age that any they kill isn’t murder, but self defense. I am not saying any of this is right. Just that I can understand how they may feel. Just as I can understand how the other side feels and why they chuck bombs over the fence. In my mind, every death of a civilian to these kinds of activities is a failure of the leaderships involved.

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        I agree, but I will add that they are also indoctrinated from a young age to hate or fear the Palestinians. I don’t really think the long history means as much other than an excuse to continue the indoctrination.

        The same could be said for the other side… which is the reason i think this conflict is absolutely hopeless…

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          Sadly I agree. It probably only ends when one side achieves complete victory. The Israeli hardliners probably see it that way too. And they have decided to end it now.