You’re going to call protestors “agitators” while the broligarchs keep coming up with the most outrageous, evil bullshit they could think of, just for the hell of it.

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    Look into the history of libertarians trying to set up paradises of like minded people to find out why this will fail. They start into the 19th century and just keep failing.

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      When everyone is out for themselves, the very basics of civilization collapse.

      Empathy and pro social behavior are key to our survival and evolution as a species. Oligarchs and unbridled greed are a violation and exploitation of the social contract and bottleneck progress and healthy societal functioning.

      The Bioshock games weren’t just spun up out of nowhere.

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        Libertarianism doesn’t deny empathy and “pro social behavior” (as an autistic person, I rarely see it toward myself, not being liked and not making right faces - apparently not deserving of it, but OK ; it’s already good if those “pro social” people don’t consider it normal to steal from you when they don’t like you), it actually relies on those more.

        The issue is that it’s something that needs scale and consistency. You can’t just assemble a bunch of idealists and crooks and expect them to make a working mechanism.

        I don’t think there were many more successful attempts by left anarchists.

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          We probably have different understandings of the word “libertarian,” from what I’m reading.

          I’m referring to the people who would also label themselves “anarcho-capitalists,” as the literal definition of libertarianism isn’t typically associated with the term. I put it in quotes since capitalism by design leads to and encourages hierarchy (private ownership etc etc). No, commerce/trade is not the same and is as about as old as written history itself.

          I’m also autistic and have been ostracized for “wrong” behavior. When I say “pro social” I mean mutual aid, genuine compassion and actually treating other humans with respect for their immutable traits (beliefs like bigotry don’t count). I do not mean masking or “fitting in.” Unfortunately we do get unfairly judged and that’s bad. But - we also are generally capable of finding and forming our own groups.

          Sovereign utopia building as a whole has its own set of issues, but that’s not what was specifically being addressed. Socialist policies in general improve the wellbeing of the respective societies they’re applied to, though.

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      There are people who, disturbed by “big government” today and its tendency to curb the advantages they might gain if their competitiveness were allowed free flow, demand “less govern- ment.” Alas, there is no such thing as less government, merely changes in government. If the libertarians had their way, the distant bureaucracy would vanish and the local bully would be in charge. Personally, I prefer the distant bureaucracy, which may not find me, over the local bully, who certainly will. And all historical precedent shows a change to localism to be for the worse.

      —Isaac Asimov, Nice Guys Finish First, collected in The Sun Shines Bright, 1981

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      I’m not surprised by more of this sovereign state nonsense, I’m just disgusted that they’re proposing building it on a reservation.

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      Is that different for non-libertarian paradise-building attempts?

      I swear, you guys just apparently decide nobody will ask the obvious questions, because libertarians are an allowed target.

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    “Crypto paradise” is the first example in the dictionary when you look up Oxymoron

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    “”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“paradise”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”“”