Context: X11Libre is a fork of X11 aiming at preserving the X Server (fair enough, right?). One of the creators got permanently banned from freedesktop.org for apparently violating the Code of Conduct (no info on that, they just blame Red Hat), see themselves as hunted by both Big Tech and “toxic elements” who “took over the X11 project” They want to “make X great again”.
The issue about their highly political README (which they wrote due to the original project “becoming too political”, lol) also contains the usual red flags like transphobia. https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40
Of course Lunduke is a fan rolls eyes
What is that guys deal?
Idk but in his thumbnails he always looks like he has to take a shit
Probably rips a bong before taking a photo.
If only he did, maybe he would be a bit more chill
My take is that they grew up religious and take conservative things being correct as an axiom. Its why some parts of conservative movement’s are considered Christian, even if they or the followers are not that religious.
Why did the discussion turned into distro advertisement?X11 was never great.
(Like seriously, it’s nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell and and proprietary stuff from nvidia that misbehaves, all the way down. Always has been.)
it’s nothing but config files you have to edit from the local console shell
Some people seem to love that, as well as the total lack of any kind of access control or security. I mean, look at how many people are still arguing that “Systemd is destroying Linux”, clinging to initd with all its bash scripts and no nice way to prevent race conditions and such.
To roughly quote someone from a talk (not sure where I heard that, was about systemd as well I think):
“We nerds are very good at change when we’re the ones proposing it, but very bad when it comes from the outside.”
To be fair they made a lot of strides to the point where config file wrangling went from mandatory to almost never done.
But yes, Nvidia would have quirks driving people back to wrangling config file, but they got better too.
Though I’m not particularly interested in X11. The biggest thing they had was trivial application forwarding, but the architecture didn’t scale well to modern resolutions and UI design that was largely bitmaps being pushed, as well as not handling higher latency networks too well.
Found more context, for who is now curious:
- Apparently threatening violence with guns is okay (just got marked as “off-topic”).
- The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list
The more I read into X11Libre, the more I’m laughing. Now the freedesktop ban also makes perfect sense.
YOOOOOO!!! IT’S THE SAME FUCKING GUY. I remember that legendary Torvalds roast. Good shit.
At least his aim is shit… lol (talking about this GermaA… dude)
The maintainer of X11Libre, Enrico Weigelt, is an anti-vaxer who already got scolded by Torvalds for writing bullshit on the kernel mailing list
Oh, so it’s him. Dude got absolutely lucky Linus is on mild mode nowadays. On his prime the scold would’ve been of such epic proportions all the viruses he could have on his body would’ve leave him out of pure cringe.
Linus has good values, by he’s also a toxic asshole that surrounded himself with other toxic assholes. And that’s why both immoral people and nice people eventually get shown the door / leave the Linux project.
He used to be, but he has become surprisingly chill from what I’ve seen. Maybe it’s just coincidence, but I’m under the impression that “no compiler warnings” thing, as well as the introduction of C11 and Rust played a role in that. In all three instances he made an open minded decision, all of them after he realised he was wrong on numbers one and two
He absolutely admits when he’s wrong (as soon as he realizes anyway). I think it’s part of his “no bullshit” value extending to himself.
His outbursts were always with good reason. But you don’t need to belittle and scorn people to enforce values in a community. You don’t need to be an ass. He was, and attracted people like him, and now it’s darn near impossible to turn that culture around. At last not until a lot of the assholes like Ted retire.
Honestly, I’m fully on board of this development. It might be useful for those distros that can’t move to Wayland and, more importantly, can keep the developers far from everything else.
https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver/issues/40#issuecomment-2963760417
Yeah, that’s not great, is it
Reading that made me want to unalive myself.
If you want to know more about how unhinged the dude is, I recommend reading this email thread in the DNG mailing list.
I’ve been watching a lot of Miniminuteman lately. Weigelt sounds exactly like the crackpot conspiracy theorists whose “facts” are being “silenced” by “the Establishment” of “mainstream science” because “they don’t want you to know this”.
First time iv ever seen someone reference mini minuteman. Neat. The great raft was a good video!
Reminds me of the Hyprland dev and the shit that community is. https://drewdevault.com/2024/04/09/2024-04-09-FDO-conduct-enforcement.html
Very typical projection (“I’m not political, you are”), but the reactions are unnecessary in my opinion (feeding the trolls as some would say). If you don’t like the attitude of the maintainer, fork it if you like, ignore it if you don’t.
There’s no feeding going on. We’re simply laughing at their expense.
No wonder why freedesktop nuked their repository.
And Fedora apparently wants to add xlibre to their repository (hopefully not)X11 drama.
I miss the days when the OS community found -often painful- ways to deal with excentric or even toxic and erratic developers. That definitely had more class than conformist mobs celebrating each character assassination of somebody disagreeing. Not that I’d support any anti-vax bullshit or bigotry, I just dislike mobs of holier-than-thous. Because they aren’t holy or as “good” as they think they are. IMO they’re just the sort of people waiting for a reason to get their torches and pitchforks. I don’t think that’s any better, morally, or less intolerant than having unhinged opinions.
I miss the days when we tolerated assholes and bigots instead of calling them out.
You’re not calling out anyone here. That has happened elsewhere. You’re nothing but gossiping about it. You’re not the defenders of anything but spiteful, ugly people.
