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I hope Matrix is not on its way to becoming Discord
Matrix org isn’t obligated to run a public instance at all - they could stick to developing the spec, and let other people run instances.
And honestly maybe they should, because then we wouldn’t have this huge consolidation problem on matrix.org in the first place.
The Matrix.org Foundation is a non-profit and only relies on donations to operate. Its core mission is to maintain the Matrix Specification, but it does much more than that.
Non-profit… only relies on donations…
This was taken quite literally at the bottom of that article.
At some point donations become unsustainable. Like literally their options are to start charging or close up shop.
The smarter thing to do would be to rotate instances on sign-up to decentralize the Matrix-verse but it’s probably too late now.
Ads win out in the end, more lucrative for the business model, and thats usually when enshittification occurs.
The context in the article is important. Similar to what FUTO preaches-- people don’t donate. That’s why corporate solutions usually win. Better to charge a bit of money so we can have nice things.
I used to have $5 on Patreon… but it seemed dead. I wrote a message asking what’s up, but no response.
The whole org is a shitshow from what little pieces of info I have, still waiting for Dendride, hoping the front-ends will stabilize.
I’ve been using Matrix selfhosted as my primary communication tool since 2017, not connecting it to matrix.org (tried once, deleted instance afterwards), and I love it, but the org… meh.
The same people that enshitified open source licences ?
People deserve to get paid on their work, and currently the best way to do that and survive in America is to work on completely closest source products that don’t respect their users. Open source is probably the most respectful but doesn’t work well as a business. We need something that works reliably for delivering real products that will achieve mass adoption. I think these source available licenses are that.
You know what else source-available licences do ?
Put restrictions like you cannot make money from the forks. Forks are the lifeblood of FOSS.
XMPP
Premium, dude!
Jokes aside, fuck this shit.
Wish the homeserver portability would be worked on more. The ability to change homeserver would really allow people to more easily move on from matrix.org.
Myself included ;).
Optimally it would even allow the switch “after the fact”, so after your original homeserver is down, assuming your client has a local copy of the server-side secret storage. It would need to be based on some cryptographic identity then, I suppose.
There’s something that kinda helps with the migration: https://ems.element.io/tools/matrix-migration
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Matrix became the new Discord
It would take hundreds of millions of dollars to make Matrix as shit as Discord is.
We have been communicating on the lack of funds in the Foundation for a while now, the latest being here. And whilst we’ve been working hard to gather new members and are happy to see the number of logos increasing (thank you all for seeing the need for Matrix to stay independent and safe, and the value in supporting it!), none of the big players in the ecosystem have actually committed to one of the higher membership tiers, so we need to find other ways towards sustainability.
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Sounds like that business plan isn’t working out like you hoped…
And/Or not enough users care to use your product.
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The plan was to rely on donations, which doesn’t usually work for hosted products.
$170k/year for 1 person is no joke.
This is just a grift to take advantage of morons.
Don’t be one of them.
A two bedroom, one bathroom house built in the 80s in San Francisco cost $1.1 million a couple years back. I don’t suppose cost of living in most big cities went down.
For comparison, Mitchell Baker, the former CEO of Mozilla, saw her yearly pay rise from $2.4 million in 2018 to 6.9 million in 2022. I think it’s perfectly adequate for the CEO of matrix to earn the salary of a moderately successful software engineer.
That’s funny, because nothing about his job requires him to be there.
Unlike, you know, people outside of tech.
I have no clue where in the world he resides. I’m just trying and failing to clue you in on how the world works.
No, you’re trying to defend the profit’s of others without realizing how they’re taking advantage of your naivete.
Honestly, trying to explain things to useful idiots really is a fool’s errand. The best I can do is make it clear as day for anyone with a brain how much of a sucker the average internet user is now.
Goodbye. I’m going to ignore you. I’m tired of arguing with tools.
How could I ever cope without your words of wisdom.
That’s not how non-profit foundations work.
😂
Still need users. And folks who like/want/use the product enough to care to donate.
If neither is happening, you’re business model is failing. Profit or nonprofit.
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For just $19.95 a month you can talk to all your friends!
You can do that for free. But for that low, low price, you can talk to your friends with a Matrix Green checkmark next your name! #worthit
A green check!!! Wow! Sign me up baby!
The alternative is to turn off the server, which we want to avoid doing.
The funnier and IMO better option
and the entire protcol with it, they just have better marketing than xmpp, and from what i read are even worse protocol.
Hehe. Then all those busy rooms will be ded. This would be a huge problem for matrix. Not really technically (since you could add additional rooms from other servers), but more like brand damage.
It’s a load of bullshit and we shouldn’t trust them.
It’s a load of bullshit…
Based on what?
