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    I used to think DisplayPort was the future, about 10-13 years ago.

    By now I feel it has come and gone.

    HDMI 2.1+ is making its way in everywhere.

    • It’s a better plug.
    • It tends to support enough pixels/Hz for most people.
    • It’s more ubiquitous, being on both TV’s laptops, and monitors.

    Pretty sure the PC desktop segment will keep the port alive for a while, but right now it doesn’t seem like a very useful port apart from having a plug that claws itself in place and is often unnecessarily hard to unplug.

    With Ultra High Speed HDMI (these names are ridiculous, seriously, look at the standard names) there’s very few, if any, reasons to use DP, apart from compliant HDMI cables costing an arm and a leg.

    To be honest I’m struggling a bit to understand why it’s not just all pushed through a CAT6/7 Ethernet cable at this point.

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      DisplayPort is a better system than HDMI. It even can ride piggy back on USB-C, which means a display can both power a computer on the same line as it connects to a laptop with. DisplayPort also supports daisy chaining(although it’s not a common feature on monitors), so you could potentially have a single USB-C cable going to a laptop and then have multiple monitors connected with needing a dock or anything of that sort.

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        But (most of that) that’s the display port standard, not the plug.

        DisplayPort over USB-C works mostly fine, except that it’s “fine”, not perfect. Daisy chaining tends to make it less fine.

        It’s a better standard, but a worse plug. Important distinction.

        That doesn’t matter in the long run though. Better doesn’t always win.

        Just look at how USB won over FireWire. And FireWire could daisy chain too

        My iPhone 13 Pro syncs slower over USB than my second generation iPod did over FireWire.

        While I obviously can’t blame that fully on USB, it’s an ironic observation, especially since my OG iPod would be 21 years old now, if it still worked.

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            I don’t like the DisplayPort connector.

            Apparently an unpopular opinion, but hey. It’s mine, and I’ll keep it.

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                My arguments is that is. But, hey, read it whatever way makes you feel better about your own opinion.

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                  You’ve not even presented an argument; you’ve only made a statement that it’s a worse connector. What are you basing this so-called argument on?

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            Go to your local electronics store and see if that is true when you want a cable “today”.

            There’s a difference between theory and practice.

            Different countries and regions may have better markets for DP cables, but I can’t recall having had options other than length.

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          Thanks for the FireWire memories. I got the first Windows compatible iPod and bought a FireWire card just to use it.

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      Because of some HDMI licensing bullshit, HDMI is limited to 4k60 when using open source graphics drivers.

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        Like that latching plug, dislike how manufacturers put it on only one side.

        That’s the only real solution IMO, because monitor makers are gonna do what they do. Terrible frames, oddly angled, recessed. Once it’s in? Latching is awesome. Ever need to remove it? Fuck it, buy a new monitor.

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        The nicest part is you don’t HAVE to use a latching plug. Friction fit plugs are compliant with the standard, and they are available for sale. My Dell 1440p 165hz displays came with a very nice friction fit DisplayPort cable.

        https://a.co/d/eCiOkiN

        Latching connectors are better for permanent setups or commercial displays however, as they won’t wiggle themselves loose.

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      Just because it’s more ubiquitous doesn’t make it a better plug.

      DP 2.1 is technically superior to HDMI in many ways, especially since it’s the protocol that runs through USB C and supports daisy chaining, unlike HDMI which has to be converted to and from DP to be passed through USB C.

      I don’t see your argument with “it’s a better plug” either, the DisplayPort connector is available as a locking or non-locking connector, is keyed better than HDMI and in my experience is more solid.

      The only reason HDMI is as common as it is is because there’s a consortium putting money into it to keep it popular because they can charge license fees from manufacturers. DP is free to use and developed by VESA, the standard can be downloaded directly from their website and added to whatever device you’re developing with no need to license. HDMI charges licensing fees PER PORT, which is why you often see GPUs with one HDMI and three DPs.

      TL;DR: HDMI is only more common because a group has in its best financial interests to keep it popular, despite it playing catch-up with DP.

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        Never said DP wasn’t a better standard. Or that HDMI was better because of being ubiquitous.

        It’s certainly not keyed better than HDMI, that’s just ridiculous. If you ever had a laptop with Display Port, or see people interact with one, you would notice that it’s too similar to USB, e-sata (which has become mostly irrelevant, if not even fully), and HDMI.

        On top of that it’s difficult to feel if it’s the wrong way round. Easy to see, difficult to feel.

        DisplayPort is in practice not available as a non-locking connector, but keying and the locking connector makes it worse.

        While, sure, someone makes money off of HDMI, it’s not an argument for popularity.

        I never agreed with the facts of your comment, but I think you are using poor arguments to make an invalid point.

        I’m not arguing for HDMI either, btw. I’m just attempting to predict the future.