The vast majority of Israelis say they are not troubled by reports of famine and suffering in Gaza, a new poll released by the Israel Democracy Institute shows.
The survey shows that 79 percent of Jews in Israel were not troubled, or troubled at all, whereas 86 percent of “Arab” respondents were somewhat or very troubled by the reports about the war on Gaza.
The survey was conducted between 27-31 July.
Gaza genocide denials are new holocaust denials.
What horrible pieces of shit.
Sick, fascist country. They need to be occupied, reconstructed, and de-nazified.
You’re sounding mighty Putinish there.
Honestly, even just being allowed to sink or swim on their own would have prevented this. They’ve grown brutal and callous because the US has shielded them from any consequences of that.
20 years of being attacked by Hamas did that. Before Israel became anyone’s ally, they won multiple wars against multiple Islamic nations at the same time. Every single one of those wars would have ended in a second Holocaust if the Muslims had won.
Don’t mistake government-controlled or government-aligned media propaganda with the actual civilian populace.
Would you trust Netanyahu’s allies to put out fair, representative journalism about what is important to the general population?
Russia said the same exact thing about Ukraine… maybe this is not a wise option in general.
And which genocide was Ukraine committing?
Russia accused them of a genocide in Donbass.
The point is that trying to rebuild countries is usually a very bad idea, especially by force. Germany and Japan after WWII are very rare examples in history.
Israel is full of religious fanatics who would happily kill everyone on this planet. Have you heard of Operation Samson?
And Palestine and Iran isn’t?
It’s the Samson option, they’ve never done it. And MAD has been policy for any number of nations.
Is Israel deep into an ethnic conflict spiral, and fairly devoid of empathy for the other side? Yes. Is it all religious fanatics? No, that’s a minority. Secular Zionism is a thing too.
The Samson option is far worse than mutually assured destruction. Instead of retaliatory strikes against the sole country which launches nukes first, Isreal plans to nuke major cities all around the globe if they are ever nuked. They have already used this threat to coerce other countries into supporting them.
In the 1973 Yom Kippur War, Arab forces were overwhelming Israeli forces and Prime Minister Golda Meir authorized a nuclear alert and ordered 13 atomic bombs be readied for use by missiles and aircraft. The Israeli Ambassador informed President Nixon that “very serious conclusions” may occur if the United States did not airlift supplies. Nixon complied. This is seen by some commentators on the subject as the first threat of the use of the Samson Option.
This is also in there:
against a country whose military has invaded and/or destroyed much of Israel.
I’ve never heard anyone else suggest it would be aimless.
Sure, it would include countries which threaten them directly, but it is not limited to that. As per the quoted section, Israel’s government has already threatened to nuke the USA if we did not continue supplying them with military aid. There is a reason this policy is not just called MAD. It’s something entirely different.
I would interpret that paragraph as a threat to nuke Arab countries (13 times, maybe), which would be bad, and would also have major political and economic fallout for Nixon. Threatening the use of nukes against a non-nuclear country is questionable, but I think it’s also the US policy if invaded.
I had assumed it was just called that for the Jewishness. The story of Samson is pretty MAD-ish, except that I don’t think his captors were warned - killing a bunch of Philistines was the point, because it was the bad old days.
Come to think of it, did/do they even have a way of delivering nukes outside the region?
Here’s another article which contains more quotes from the same book Wikipedia cites:
This doctrine is still in place today, as journalist Kit Klarenberg noted, “Dutch-born Israeli military theorist Martin van Creveld boasted in September 2003” that “We possess several hundred atomic warheads and rockets and can launch them at targets in all directions, perhaps even at Rome. Most European capitals are targets…We have the capability to take the world down with us. And I can assure you that that will happen before Israel goes under”.
https://the307.substack.com/p/the-samson-option-how-israel-not
Edit regarding your question: Yes, Isreal has multiple delivery options.
Officials confirm that the nation can now launch atomic weapons from land, sea and air.
Hmm, a bit of a suspect source. And I can’t find the primary source of this quote.
It does look like some of their boats and ships have global range, at least. If the Martin van Creveld quote is authentic, that would imply Rome is the edge of their missile range, which would make sense. I’m guessing Iran is just about as far.
Don’t confuse a fascist regime for the population it is presiding over.
Dehumanisation succesful.
One reason, maybe not the only one, could be that they’re being told it’s all lies or in any case untrustworthy reports, or hugely exaggerated. I’ve seen many examples of this.
The Palestinians in occupied territory figured it out already. Not that hard.
Also other polls have shown almost half Jewish Israelis support full extermination Palestinians. And more than 82% support ethnically cleansing them.
Middle East Eye is a notorious propaganda outlet, especially on this conflict. I would take anything they say with a grain of salt, including their interpretations of polls and surveys. I personally recommend everybody here to actually look at the original source and the same information referenced directly from there. The survey cited in this article is pretty extensive, and I think it’s worth taking a look at:
So exactly what the article states. Jewish Israelis do not believe mass starvation of Palestinians matters.
Sir, this is Lemmy. Get your information hygiene out of there!
…Seriously though, subtle rewording makes a huge difference:
The majority of Jewish respondents think that, given the circumstances of the fighting in Gaza, Israel is making efforts to avoid causing suffering to the Palestinian population there. The majority of Arab respondents think that even with the restrictions imposed by the fighting, Israel could have done more to reduce this suffering. Among Jews, only on the Left is there a majority who think that Israel is not making the necessary efforts to reduce suffering.
On a personal level, the majority in the Center and on the Right (Jewish respondents) say that they are not troubled by the reports of famine and suffering among the Palestinian population in Gaza. On the Left, the majority reported that they are personally troubled by these reports.
The majority of the Jewish public believes the IDF’s reporting on the extent of Palestinian civilian casualties in Gaza
In other words, Jewish respondents believe Israel is making efforts to avoid suffering, not that they approve of the suffering, and the national mood is very low.
Propaganda works.
So do clickbait tabloid headlines.
Sorry bud, the original source doesn’t make Israelis look better.
Israelis think that because they believe the IDF. You literally just read the first paragraph and are acting like the responsible one doing real research.
because they believe the IDF.
Exactly.
They believe what they’re told. But the headline makes it seem like they’re cheering on starvation in front of their eyes.
They are.
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Rotten from the roots up
Israel is a extremely racist nation and Palestinians are just “human animals” and even “vermin” to most Israelis.
That’s exactly as surprising as the sunrise.
When I went to Israel last time I was genuinely surprised how many zealots there are. Most Israelis you meet outside of the country are just normal people but Israel itself is still full of mentally deranged. Religion is a hell of a drug.
The reason for this is that Israel has a lot of ultra orthodox Jews, and they can be pinpointed as THE source of the insanity inside the country. They don’t contribute economically, they’re always calling for wars and violence but they refuse to participate in the military, they throw tantrums when anything doesn’t go their way, and they’re always trying to coerce society to be more religiously extreme.
Yeah it’s so disappointing to see a culture being held hostage by extremists. It’s almost like west Asia can never fucking escape these zealots ruining it for everybody.
As someone wirh west Asian roots I wonder how incredible the region would be without religion.
If you really mean Israelis outside of Israel and not just Jewish people, that’s probably just code shifting. They know their opinions aren’t acceptable outside their bubble, so they keep quiet. It’s the same way a white supremacist will talk differently if they think any random white guy shares their views vs when an imposing minority is in the room.
I think it’s a little different. The Israelis who actually live or travel outside of Israel tend to usually be the educated, open minded ones. They’re usually the ones who want a two state solution and oppose wars. The whackos tend to stay in Israel. Not all Israelis are whackos, but all the Israeli whackos stay in Israel. It’s kind of like how the Americans who travel or live abroad tend to be liberal, but the MAGA types never even leave the country.
So how come there are tons of Israeli groups abroad from Israel who push zionist propaganda?
They need to renounce their bullshit faith or be ready to take in the backlash. It’s all made up (all religions), anyway, and if one can’t see that they really don’t deserve to procreate on this earth
I mean some do and some don’t. It’s the same as any other nationality. Israelis aren’t a monolith.
Never go back there
Yes, poll after poll has shown this. Israelis by and large are behind the genocide. They’re okay with it they approve of it and they like it. They’re not being forced to murder an entire people. They’re gleeful about it.
Funny, I’m not bothered by Israeli death and suffering either. 🤷
This is the type of unhinged take that shouldn’t be welcomed in discourse. The reason why people are critical of Israel or Russia or Saudi Arabia or Iran or whatever is because they’re not bothered enough by the death and suffering. The whole point is to get them to deradicalize as a society so they won’t dehumanize other people. We went to bring them to the level everybody else is at, radicalizing ourselves to dehumanize them, that’s just making the problem worse.
Why did they put quotation marks around Arab? It sounds like they’re doubting the people were actually Arab. Looks real gross.
Edit: should really read articles before posting. The quotes are a critique of the study as far as I can tell. The study refers to Palestinians living in Israel as “Arabs”. If the study doesn’t properly identify the individuals it’s researching I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the results.
The study refers to Palestinians living in Israel as “Arabs”. If the study doesn’t properly identify the individuals it’s researching I have serious doubts about the legitimacy of the results.
My understanding is that Israel has a distinction between Israeli citizens who are ethnically Arab and Palestinians from the Palestinian territories who aren’t citizens and are de facto treated as foreigners.
Dehumanization of the enemy is part of what enables genocidal actions.
