It’s a Potemkin village just like all the other “rich” and “social” European countries. They all claim to have defeated poverty. They all claim to have great welfare systems. But that’s not reality. In reality, all you get is a brochure (at best) with some bullshit feel-good talk (“Crisis as a chance”). As if you could rent an apartment with that or get medical treatment or a job. Europeans in general are the biggest liars on Earth. I rather choose the honest evil of the US than the phoniness of Europe.
I would agree with your that there is no perfect place and system on earth, but geez, there are HUGE differences in social welfare systems. Also, spreading misinformation does not help you to get your point across.
That’s not misinformation. I’m personally affected (And I’m not the only one). Oh, wait, I get it. You’re just another privileged rich asshole who thinks that everybody else is just as rich and privileged as you. Sweet sweet egocentrism.
I haven’t heard a single European country claim to have defeated poverty.
My country (NL) has an increasing gap between rich and poor, and there are people living below the poverty line (mostly because people keep voting for stupid right wing parties that keep cutting social programs and welfare, but that’s a rant for another day)
But at least there still is welfare, there are still funds that people can ask for from the government.
And yes, there’s homelessness here too. There’s also homeless shelters. Even in my dinky little town. It’s not great, but it’s something. And I can only hope that we can get some socialism back in our government so that those who need it can get a more humane treatment.
Weird priorities but sure.
Btw personal attacks don’t really affect me but do continue with your baseless rants about Norway, i find them entertaining.
I don’t know a ton about Norway, nor have I visited. Can you edify me on the reality compared to the Potemkin village facade? Are there social safety nets? How do they work/not work in practice? What’s phony about other European countries? The closest I’ve been to Norway is Denmark and I had a lot of conversations with locals about healthcare and qol and they all seemed better off than what we have in America.
I’ve met a few homeless Norwegians here in Central Europe. They told me enough stories about how “good” their welfare system works. The patterns were the same as in all other European countries. You have a certain amount of homeless people, then you open up temporary shelters for less than one percent of them (And those shelters are always the worst places imaginable, much more filthy and dangerous than the streets, often just as cold as outside because nobody pays for heaters). And of course plenty of housing first projects nobody can ever get into because they’re all fake, all you ever get is a stupid brochure. But it’s good material for propaganda in newspapers which helps “social” parties keep and attract voters (The rich “left” bourgeoise love this type of stories). So all that has been achieved is to push homeless people around Europe, always looking for that one country that doesn’t suck, it’s a neverending loop of misery. And the only people they have to talk to are other homeless. Not a single housed person listens, they only silence you (“No, Europe is Utopia, you have plenty of options, you just don’t want to be housed again!”). And of course no newspaper reports about any of this either, political parties make sure no such article will ever be released by threatening to take press subsidies away.
And that’s just about homeless shelters. The same applies to welfare benefits, disability benefits, “universal” healthcare and so on. I met disabled people who only got 40 Euros emergency assistance per month. How can you buy food, clothes, hygiene products, medication and pay for the homeless shelter too (most are not free) with just 40 Euros? I didn’t believe it until I saw the official documents myself. That’s the real Europe. That’s the “social” Utopia dumb/uneducated US citizens dream about.
There is one difference though: Police here is much more chill, they rarely harass you or destroy your stuff for fun. That is indeed much worse in the US. Here they just tell you to go away and look for another place.
It’s a Potemkin village just like all the other “rich” and “social” European countries. They all claim to have defeated poverty. They all claim to have great welfare systems. But that’s not reality. In reality, all you get is a brochure (at best) with some bullshit feel-good talk (“Crisis as a chance”). As if you could rent an apartment with that or get medical treatment or a job. Europeans in general are the biggest liars on Earth. I rather choose the honest evil of the US than the phoniness of Europe.
I would agree with your that there is no perfect place and system on earth, but geez, there are HUGE differences in social welfare systems. Also, spreading misinformation does not help you to get your point across.
That’s not misinformation. I’m personally affected (And I’m not the only one). Oh, wait, I get it. You’re just another privileged rich asshole who thinks that everybody else is just as rich and privileged as you. Sweet sweet egocentrism.
I haven’t heard a single European country claim to have defeated poverty. My country (NL) has an increasing gap between rich and poor, and there are people living below the poverty line (mostly because people keep voting for stupid right wing parties that keep cutting social programs and welfare, but that’s a rant for another day)
But at least there still is welfare, there are still funds that people can ask for from the government.
And yes, there’s homelessness here too. There’s also homeless shelters. Even in my dinky little town. It’s not great, but it’s something. And I can only hope that we can get some socialism back in our government so that those who need it can get a more humane treatment.
Socialism caused me to become homeless. And it makes sure I will never be housed again.
Can you tell us how please?
You wouldn’t believe me. You only would if you walked in my shoes. But if you walked in my shoes I would not have to tell because you already knew.
Oh, so you’re full of shit. Got it.
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Shouldn’t you be over on gab?
Gee good for you there’s internet at 7/11 for your “homeless” rants.
As if homeless people couldn’t have a smart phone, you dumb fuck.
Weird priorities but sure.
Btw personal attacks don’t really affect me but do continue with your baseless rants about Norway, i find them entertaining.
Having a smartphone is really important nowadays to have any way to take part in society. So I think this is just necessary.
Fuck you.
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I don’t know a ton about Norway, nor have I visited. Can you edify me on the reality compared to the Potemkin village facade? Are there social safety nets? How do they work/not work in practice? What’s phony about other European countries? The closest I’ve been to Norway is Denmark and I had a lot of conversations with locals about healthcare and qol and they all seemed better off than what we have in America.
I’ve met a few homeless Norwegians here in Central Europe. They told me enough stories about how “good” their welfare system works. The patterns were the same as in all other European countries. You have a certain amount of homeless people, then you open up temporary shelters for less than one percent of them (And those shelters are always the worst places imaginable, much more filthy and dangerous than the streets, often just as cold as outside because nobody pays for heaters). And of course plenty of housing first projects nobody can ever get into because they’re all fake, all you ever get is a stupid brochure. But it’s good material for propaganda in newspapers which helps “social” parties keep and attract voters (The rich “left” bourgeoise love this type of stories). So all that has been achieved is to push homeless people around Europe, always looking for that one country that doesn’t suck, it’s a neverending loop of misery. And the only people they have to talk to are other homeless. Not a single housed person listens, they only silence you (“No, Europe is Utopia, you have plenty of options, you just don’t want to be housed again!”). And of course no newspaper reports about any of this either, political parties make sure no such article will ever be released by threatening to take press subsidies away.
And that’s just about homeless shelters. The same applies to welfare benefits, disability benefits, “universal” healthcare and so on. I met disabled people who only got 40 Euros emergency assistance per month. How can you buy food, clothes, hygiene products, medication and pay for the homeless shelter too (most are not free) with just 40 Euros? I didn’t believe it until I saw the official documents myself. That’s the real Europe. That’s the “social” Utopia dumb/uneducated US citizens dream about.
There is one difference though: Police here is much more chill, they rarely harass you or destroy your stuff for fun. That is indeed much worse in the US. Here they just tell you to go away and look for another place.
No problem then, just be happy the way you like it.
I would like everything to be very different in both the US and Europe. But that’s not going to happen.
Ah, so you’ve never been to Norway. What tipped it off is that Norway is not in Europe.
I guess you are trolling, right? It is in Europe but it is not part of the European Union. Jesus.
Less than 10 seconds of research required to find out (if it wasn’t part of school education)…
It is in Europe, just not in the union. Just like Canada is in (North) America.
I’m so curious: Before others replied, which continent did you think Norway was in?
(Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norway)
So you dumb fuck don’t even know that Norway is part of Europe. But you claim to know how well Norway’s welfare system works. Sure buddy.
So the Eurpoean union regulates Norway’s welfare system? Tell us more, thee who is so wise in the ways of Europa.
I’m sure someone in Oslo thinks President Trump rules Canada’s welfare system because it’s close to the Gulf of America.
I can’t imagine anybody from Oslo or even Europe would think that. But i guess that’s the difference between Europeans and Americans.