To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe; with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you.”
This is God’s response to Eve eating the forbidden fruit. Old Testament God is a petty asshole who likes to spank his kids when they misbehave, but this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is. Nothing in the Genesis story suggests that women were made a priori to have less dignity or less value than men, and God frequently punishes men in the Old Testament as well.
As for the Timothy stuff, that all comes from Paul the apostle. You didn’t ever find Jesus saying these things about women, it’s just Paul being an incel.
At least old Testament God was straight up about being an arsehole. People are pretending like sending people to hell for eternity because you had the audacity to grow up not in a Christian household, isn’t straight up narcissistic behaviour.
Believe in me with no evidence, otherwise I’m damning you for all time. Even if I’m the one who let you be born into a particular region or family.
this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is.
Except the first sentence applies to all mothers who ever were. It is literally about what women are. Mr Omnipotent couldn’t figure out how to punish Eve without punishing all her daughters throughout all eternity? The mental acrobatics required to not interpret that verse as a call to sexism are olympics-level.
I don’t actually have a vested interest in doing the mental gymnastics either way. But I do find it fascinating how deeply knowledgeable and creative some people get in order to pretend that the Bible is actually woke lmao.
A couple of things:
This is God’s response to Eve eating the forbidden fruit. Old Testament God is a petty asshole who likes to spank his kids when they misbehave, but this is all about something Eve did, not something that Eve is. Nothing in the Genesis story suggests that women were made a priori to have less dignity or less value than men, and God frequently punishes men in the Old Testament as well.
As for the Timothy stuff, that all comes from Paul the apostle. You didn’t ever find Jesus saying these things about women, it’s just Paul being an incel.
At least old Testament God was straight up about being an arsehole. People are pretending like sending people to hell for eternity because you had the audacity to grow up not in a Christian household, isn’t straight up narcissistic behaviour.
Believe in me with no evidence, otherwise I’m damning you for all time. Even if I’m the one who let you be born into a particular region or family.
If God were a person, he’d have no friends.
(Just me being salty)
Many scholars believe Paul didn’t even write Timothy.
Except the first sentence applies to all mothers who ever were. It is literally about what women are. Mr Omnipotent couldn’t figure out how to punish Eve without punishing all her daughters throughout all eternity? The mental acrobatics required to not interpret that verse as a call to sexism are olympics-level.
I don’t actually have a vested interest in doing the mental gymnastics either way. But I do find it fascinating how deeply knowledgeable and creative some people get in order to pretend that the Bible is actually woke lmao.