A Princeton nuclear physicist. A mechanical engineer who helped NASA explore manufacturing in space. A US National Institutes of Health neurobiologist. Celebrated mathematicians. And over half a dozen AI experts. The list of research talent leaving the US to work in China is glittering – and growing.
Errrr, you can’t pay me enough to work in China. Why go from an county starting to go towards authoritarianism to a country that is ALREADY authoritarianism. China is def not the lesser of the two evils.
China’s authoritarianism is more palatable for the people who live in it because they don’t deport people to random 3rd world countries’ terrorist prisons. If you’re valued, they make your life exceptional. But this all comes with the looming threat of “speak out against us and you’ll go to jail without trial”. So basically you live under fear in both China and the US, but in China you know what to do to avoid being a target and in the US it can be pretty random
Honestly, if they offered me a million euro per year salary, I’d go and be quiet as a lamb. But I don’t think they want me in the first place and also they probably know my opinion of the country.
There is a literal concentration camp for theUyghurs because of their religion. They are sending jets and navy ships to sovereign nations all over south east Asia. Even building man made island to build bases to do so. There is a social points system that is designed to punish the poor and middle class.
You’re watching too much TikTok bro. China is brainwashing you.
social point system has been found out not to be universal, and not all china’s provinces have adopted it all. and its not enforced by the ccp.
Lol I have never installed the TikTok app even. I can show you a screenshot from the App Store if you don’t believe me.
Definitely an issue regionally (and globally because TSMC), but a non-issue to anyone living in China (unless they have family at one of those countries)
I agreed, it’s bullshit bad faith diplomacy.
Same as the credit score system in the US then. It’s provincial, anyway, not a centralized system. A lot of people in China are saying it doesn’t affect their lives too much. Many haven’t heard of it.
So this is the worst of them all. But then nearly every single article about it is written by, or cites, Adrian Zenz, a notoriously anti-China reporter. The multi-million person concentration camps might be a myth. There’s definitely some human rights abuses going on there though, even the UN has reported on that. But again, this doesn’t affect most people.
We’re talking about over a billion people in one country. 99.9% of them aren’t going to be affected by any of this. Can you say the same regarding the systemic racism, the ICE raids, etc, in the US? And those are accelerating, China seems to be keeping their authoritarianism stable.
In China they also imprison the wealthy that exploit people. I may not agree with how China treats their citizens but they have some things right.
No they don’t. They only do that if you become too powerful. Nobody can be more than Xi Ping. If you are then you get punished…
only if threatens the politburo that is, just like JACK MA was getting to big and they made up charges to get rid of him.
Ehhhh so and so. They imprison you once it gets too public. Otherwise they’re happy about the money.
This is relevant for immigrants who are trying to escape poverty, almost with no future in their own countries either for their personal or professional aspirations. I am not a China fan, but when you look at countries around the world, many of which are very poor and underdeveloped but with lots of brilliant, hard-working people with dreams and potential, they would rather go to a place where they have at least some stability, predicted living and working conditions, and a future, rather than to a place where one doesn’t know whether the potential future mayor of New York City, born and brought up in the USA and hence of course a citizen who happens to be the son of a world-famous filmmaker and a well-known academic, will actually be deported or not. I mean that’s a real possibility at this point - let that sink in. (I am not even going for more extreme examples)
I wish things were better, and I wish we didn’t live in a world where China, yes, China – of all the countries, might become a viable alternative for people from the developing or underdeveloped world compared to the USA.
The dude is brainwashed by TikTok. As a person who’s family has a factory in china, it’s a terrible place to live.
The number of times I have used TikTok in my life is the integer just below 1.
(And now I am getting a sense of what that “other kind” of echo chamber these platforms are becoming as opposed to that kind of echo chamber Twitter etc are)
I mean the damn thing is banned here.
Yeah, but there are other and much better places to go than China. The world doesn’t consist of only the US and China.
Yeah. And before this the world didn’t only consist of USA but we hinged these conversations on USA. I was commenting in that context.
The money, however, is in the US and China. You’ll have a better life on average in Europe, but if you’re super aspirational about your career and total compensation, Europe sucks.
LOL
Trust me. I’m a software engineer in EU. I could make 4-5x as much in the US. The truly high level compmaxers make even more.
Try asking how much China parts for SWE right now. Then look up what the 996 culture is in China.
Being the 2nd most riches country doesn’t mean you get paid more for your skills.
China has the lowest GDP relative to the country’s wealth. They simply exploit their people way more than the USA.
There was literally a thread somewhere on the fediverse where someone said their friend (scientist) got invited to China for a 7 figure salary job. That’s not a thing in most countries.
I know what the 996 culture is. These are also mostly people working in the private sector. This article is more about government-paid people.
So what country you want to be in depends on whether you’re a researcher (China good, US becoming increasingly shit), software engineer (China bad, US good), etc. But it still holds true that the US and China have the highest salary ceilings if you’re strategic about it. If you’re a scientist here in Estonia, you need to take foreign assignments to make any real money. Otherwise you don’t earn shit, especially before you finish your PhD.
Like. I get it. China is absolutely an authoritarian state. But it also isn’t coming apart at the fucking seams, really seems to have its shit together, and offers a very good quality of life if you make enough money, from what I’ve heard.
It isn’t a glittering wonderland or anything but you’re not going to be deported for no fucking reason if you’re an expert in your field (unless you get on the wrong side of the government).
The USA is coming apart at the seams. It isn’t just authoritarianism, it’s ineptitude and implosion. They’re totally different situations.