• AA5B@lemmy.world
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    Part of the problem is some debt is necessary for large or expensive projects. Think of it as similar to your home mortgage: most of us could not buy a home without it. Similarly governments have large or multi year projects that can be difficult to pay as you go and make sense to take out debt.

    But everyone likes being Santa Clause , everyone likes bringing home the pork, and it’s a simple matter of writing a little more debt. No big deal.

    A traditional Republican position is that thinking is insane, it’s not fiscally responsible. We can’t afford that. It makes a lot of sense until you see what republicans actually tend to do. In today’s world I imagine some republicans still have some twisted concept of fiscal responsibility for kicking millions off healthcare, but it boggles the mind to use that plus take on additional debt to give tax cuts to the wealthy. That is very much NOT fiscally responsible. If there is anyone out there who still believes in traditional Republican positions, they should be ashamed of what it’s become

    A traditional Democrat position is we have human services and infrastructure that are important enough to write more debt. That sounds expensive, but again, think of it like that home mortgage: some things are important enough.

    Realistically, the cost of debt rises and falls with a country’s economy, so you can have unexpected results where additional debt causes business to increase, making debt cheaper

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    Government debt and household debt are not the same thing. The politicians know better but they know people don’t. So they really lay it on thick to equate the two things.

    Your debt isn’t creating jobs or industries. Government debt does. You’re not able to sell your debt. Government can.

    I think technically, there isn’t a ceiling for how much debt a country can take on as long as it’s growing. It’s not great, but also I don’t think it’s as bad as people think

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      Technically there’s no ceiling and as the reserve currency the us used to have special place, but there are consequences, there is “too high”, there can be a spectacular crash when other countries and currency traders get worried about whether you can pay it back. It’s just not clear where that will be.

      US debt is now at proportions that has caused economic crashes in other countries. More importantly, payments toward that debt are now one of the biggest parts of the annual budget, making it tougher to afford other things.

      Bringing the analogy back to personal finance, we are “house poor”. We haven’t always spent prudently, but now our house needs paint, the roof is leaking, and the furnace may not light this winter.

      Edit: one party decided it was worth going into a little more debt to replace the furnace because winter will be cold and heat is necessary, while the other cancelled that, losing the deposit and took yet more debt to day trade and collect Labubu’s, cancelling “fraud, waste and abuse”, like having the internet

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    Government spending is private savings.

    Worrying that the government will run out of money is like worrying a basketball referee will run out of points to give for baskets.

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    Their spending is someone else’s income that is then taxed that is then spent that is then taxed.

    Responsibly used some government debt is good. It helps growing the wealth of it’s people both now and in the future.

    Irresponsibly used it’s a headache for the next generation.

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    You’re trying to use logic to understand it but you also have to understand that the only actual logic about it is the logic we’ve intentionally applied to it, by choice. Money only has the meaning we give it.

    It makes more sense when you realize it’s all fiction. It’s just a game we play our whole lives because so many of us are very competitive and the ones who aren’t still have to compete against the ones who are, and at the highest levels of national policy they’re not even playing the same game anyway. They’re using it to metagame against other countries.

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    Because if you can make the currency you pay back the loan with worth less than what you borrowed, you gain. That’s why they want some inflation.

    Problems happen when you keep borrowing more and more each year, and also do stupid shit that shakes the faith of those lending you money in your ability to pay it back

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      no because i can add and subtract…and sometimes if I am in the mood I will multiply…but feeling really slippery when wet I will divide