• FlowVoid@lemmy.world
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    Datacenter != AI

    If you are using the internet for anything with cloud storage, you are contributing to datacenter growth. And that includes nearly everyone using social media.

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      Datacenter != AI

      Except the demand for new data centers is driven entirely by the capacity constraints of the current AI models.

      If you are using the internet for anything with cloud storage, you are contributing to datacenter growth.

      “Why are you mad at my five ton diseal SUV when you just adopted a pet chihuahua? They both emit carbon!”

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        I’m not sure that’s true. Every company uses storage, and every growing company needs more. But very few companies are training generative AIs.

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          Every company uses storage, and every growing company needs more.

          You’re comparing mountains to molehills. That’s before you consider improvements in storage and compression relative to demands for space, or the degree to which our storage capacity “needs” are predicated on the voracious appetite of AI models and their unwanted output. Or, for that matter, the inefficient distribution of data and proliferation of spam data that predates it.

          very few companies are training generative AIs

          Most US Growth Now Rides on AI—And Economists Suspect a Bubble

          The expansion in demand is entirely being driven by the expansion in AI capacity.

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            That article doesn’t say what you imply it does. Companies may be using ChatGPT to grow, but that doesn’t mean they are training AIs.

            And the distinction is critical to energy usage. Training a new AI uses a lot of energy. Querying an existing AI uses far less.

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              Companies may be using ChatGPT to grow, but that doesn’t mean they are training AIs.

              It’s the MAG7 that’s driving growth. And they’re all fixated on training AI in some capacity

              Training a new AI uses a lot of energy. Querying an existing AI uses far less.

              It costs $5 for each 10s video generation, based on Azure’s published rates for the first Sora model.

              That’s presumably a lot of energy.

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                The MAG7 operate large and growing cloud services, so their datacenter costs would grow even without any AI training.

                And charging $5 for a video query does not mean the query uses $5 of energy. The query is priced to recoup training costs that were already incurred.

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      Sure but energy use per datacenters was on a downward trend before ai, then it went the other way hard

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      I’m perfectly fine with Lemmy being limited to 100% renewable power. Don’t burn coal or LNG for me.