So the magaTs are now anti modification but still completely fine with mutilating young males with circumcisions. Yeah, checks out for more insanity form the cult.
The one thing brain worms McGee could have done and gotten a nod from me, and he fucked it up by throwing autism in there! Seriously though, I’m so glad my mom is as bull headed as she is and told the hospital staff to fuck off when they were pushing for that shit.
Like why is a cereal manufacturer still having us mutilate newborns?
i do wonder why trans children are their main target when the plastic surgery industry has many more people to bully
I’m not sure if they’re main target, but they’re certainly a target. Anyone who isn’t behind them is an enemy.
Thou shalt not look sexy
MAGA is just #newchristian hate
There’s a version of the bible they’ve been pushing that adds some “truth” to these nasty attitudes. And people love to shove it in your face “see!?! It’s printed here, it has to be true!!!”
Goddamn I love that shit. You know how many times I’ve been told I’m wrong for being an Atheist because “the Bible says God is real!” That line never gets old, I tell ya what.
To be fair, as long as they don’t crossdress, don’t have gay sex and don’t undergo genital surgery, they should be in the clear.
So as a trans person you’re allowed to… change your name and pronouns? I think that’s it, as far as the Bible goes.
Nope, changing pronouns is compelling speech according to evangelical extremists. Oh and changing your name should only apply to last name’s of women and young girls getting married, cuz we gotta keep in mind however many states still allow child marriage.
Funny how it’s only the religious Reich that even attempts to defend child marriage.
I mean there is shit like Deuternonom 23, 1
“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord."
Maybe just don’t give a shit about some non-sensical book some dudes in the desert made up.
You’re giving transphobic bigots too much credit; that verse doesn’t justify their position in any way shape or form.
The only reason anyone would interpret that as condemnation of trans people is if they’re actively looking for excuses to condemn them.
First off, that verse is talking about eunuchs rather than trans people, which is actually a really important distinction.
Further, that verse doesn’t even say that being a eunuch is bad; it just says they’re not allowed to enter the temple. which, for what it’s worth, hasn’t even existed for thousands of years.
Moreover, it is immediately followed by a verse saying the same thing about anyone whose ancestors (up to 10 generations back) were illegitimate children.
So, you can’t interpret it as saying that it’s a sin to be trans unless you also interpret it as saying it’s a sin to have great-great-great grandparents who weren’t married.
You’re right that neither the Bible nor any other religious text is a legitimate reason to persecute people, but that’s not what’s going on here.
They aren’t motivated by what the Bible teaches, they’re motivated by bigotry and performing mental acrobatics to try to find anything in the Bible that they can somehow twist into an excuse for their bigotry.
Deuteronomy more like Neuteronomy
The verse was meant to discourage religious eunichs, as so many verses were just meant to enact a change within a group of people long ago, the entire book of Deuteronomy for instance was telling Jews a specific code to live by, including sanitation and hygiene laws. Good way to encode your culture’s safeguards, bad way to ensure their future peace.
Yeah sure, all the uncomfortable verses always mean something different while all the positive verses are true and valid even without context.
Didn’t Jesus say he was the new covenant therefore ignore all the ancient laws and follow Jesus? Jesus himself is unworthy if you follow the Old Testament
Matthew 5, 18:
For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
In short: Nope.
In practice, Christians don’t think this means all old testament laws remain in force literally. That’s a contradiction when they want to use literalism elsewhere, but that’s not most Christians.
Of course they don’t, cause that would be uncomfortable. I know, cause I used to think the same way before ridding myself of faith.
That sounds like something of a thought terminating cliche. I think it’s at once simpler and more complicated.
Simpler because most Christians don’t think overly much about their beliefs and believe their church’s doctrine. More complicated because many do, and those that do think way beyond what’s “comfortable”. Scholarship going back millennia had dispelled - for scholars - any notion of biblical inerrancy, never mind literalism. For those who don’t believe the Bible’s plain reading is all true, there is no discomfort here - it would be a supreme arrogance to accuse minds such as Anselm, Augustine and Aquinas of merely believing whatever feels comfortable.
That doesn’t mean they’re right obviously, but you can do better than such dismissal.
It’s not arrogance to say that if you have already found your conclusion then any counter-arguments that clearly show a contradiction and make “the christian faith is true” impossible to be a true statement will just be explained away. Either by mistranslations, missing historical or cultural context or somesuch.
Sure but it’s arrogant to claim that all of these thinkers from ages past were actually doing that. I don’t agree with any of them because I’m not religious but they had serious reasons for the views they held, and there were serious disagreements on matters of religion that caused serious debates with serious arguments put forward.
any counter-arguments that clearly show a contradiction and make “the christian faith is true” impossible to be a true statement
We’re talking about the content of the Bible and its interpretation, not “counter-arguments that clearly show a contradiction.” (And: modern religions are far to flexible to be subject to “clear contradictions”. I’m sure you’ve heard the responses from religious people to your criticisms already - you find those response unsatisfactory, as do I, but they expose a way in which you misunderstood the fundamental character of the religion you were criticising. I can expand if necessary)
So when it comes to scripture like “I didn’t come to change the law” and so on, there are any number of ways of interpreting the language non-literally in a way consistent with modern Christian practice. I’m not going to play devil’s (God’s?) advocate with you but dismissing such things completely and out of hand is ignorant. People with better understanding of Biblical languages than you or I have studied more of the Bible than you or I have and have had long-running arguments it. If you don’t believe the fundamental principles then… just let them have it? Dispute them when they come up against obvious moral or scientific principles, or on their other statements, but claiming with zero argumentation that they don’t do any real thinking is silly.
If they aren’t ripping apart a pigeon and lighting it on fire on a rock after touching any wild game meat, then they’re not a true Christian.
What defines “true Christian” for you? Can he put sugar on his porridge?
Someone that follows the instructions of the book they believe in, where the book says to follow Every instruction.
Cool, that’s not what a Christian is. But that’s ok! You learnt something today!
I agree, but they don’t deserve to be called fundamentalists the way they revise the bible
All what this does is whitewash christian fundamentalist atrocities, similarly to how the “um, ackchually, the nazis were socialists” is now giving a green light to the far right of today to repeat hystorical mistakes all across the world.
This.
There were 2 big things that cover 90% of things Jesus said in the Bible.
- love people. Full stop. Yes, them too.
- don’t listen to hypocrites that make up religious rules and tell you you have to obey them.
The other 10% includes Jesus declaring that you can’t conduct trade in a temple, and beating merchants with a whip.
I ain’t Christian but I will happily do the Christlike act of beating a priest with a whip.
Also something I want to note Jesus made the whip meaning that wasn’t just rage that was true fury that made him dedicate a day towards crafting his instrument of retribution. Which is just metal.
When you’re so furious you go home and craft for entire day, sleep, wake up and you’re still mad enough to whip ass.
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Remember, God doesn’t make mistakes. So if God made you trans and put you here in this time where you have the options to explore that, well… seems pretty clear to me.
Wait, this depends on how someone views it… If they’re a fucking idiot with a child’s understanding, a binary reality means it requires altering someones’ body to transition. That’s the only perspective where it’s “modifying” someones’ body.
If you’re an adult with a developed brain and a basic highschool understanding of genetics, it’s not exactly modifying ones’ body, but merely influencing hormones to reflect how someone feels.
If you’re an adult with a collegiate level of understanding, then people ‘feeling’ like a different gender is the fucking tip of the iceberg, and genetics fucking demonstrates that it’s way more complex.
What is said in the bible, is that reality is more complex than dummies can understand, so leave judging up to God.
“Man, how much waters did I have last night”
-Jesus (probably)
Well, I can’t remember exactly where but I know it’s in there somewhere.
he can’t remember because he never existed
He probably existed and if he did was most likely a great speaker but his stories are at least massively embellished.
It is generally accepted that there was a person that the stories of Jesus were based off of that existed at that time. He has as much (if not more) evidence of his existence as most historical figures from around that era. If we decided that he didn’t have enough evidence, we would have to erase the vast majority of ancient history.
Now, that doesn’t mean that stories of his miracles are accepted as historical. Those are still a matter of faith.
There is next to no evidence of Jesus Christ unless you count Christian sources, which have a bit of a bias.
The Romans for example were big on book keeping, yet no mention of Jesus can be found.
The existence of Jesus is possible, but far from certain - of course that’s something Christians don’t like to hear and the Christian church actively fights.
Not sure you want to appeal to the contents of the Bible. I’m sure somewhere in their fairy tale being trans is a sin.
God is trans by common definition; not male or female, both, neither. God is non-binary.
Also, if Eve was made from Adam’s rib then either Eve has XY chromosomes or Adam has XX. Doesn’t sound very cis to me.
If those people could read that, they would be very upset
I completely agree that god came out as non-binary, in genesis, in terms of gender. In terms of biological sex, yahweh is male presenting (complete with bull horns and an oversized novelty cock). Despite their best efforts, the church didn’t manage to erase all the drawings from the early yahweh cult.
God is not trans because he doesn’t have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
God is not trans because he doesn’t have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
They probably couldn’t imagine such a thing to make it a sin. Evidence: because they totally would have.
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Cringe take that is factually wrong and out of step with modern, evidence -based medicine and research. Educate yourself before talking, otherwise people will think you’re stupid.
Bad take. What are they forcing you to do? Say him / her instead of her / him? Oh how difficult. If I legally changed my name from Derrick to Dennis are you gonna moan at that too? “Stop trying to be someone else”. Idiot.
You make it sound like they have chosen to be that way.
Then you claim they force people “to adhere to their madness”
Which is wrong. They want people to stop down talking their self being. They want people to accept them as humans because people can’t just do that! Treating a humans like a human.
And this is what lot of assholes are against. Seeing that people who change gender are still people. Usually those assholes also don’t think women are equal to men which is why people changing gender makes them angry.
