Decision from governor, eyeing presidential bid, could echo across US as similar bans considered in states like New York
He folded to big AI too, vetoed AI bills for seemingly no reason.
$eemingly no rea$on?
Hah, the very $ame
California has always been there leader in environmental issues, I hate seeing them fold under corporate pressure.
Despite much ignorance and ado, California is politically moderate. Their own voters shot down basic protections for unsecured laborers for private equity-backed driver services who are then wards of the state; no workers comp, no unemployment, no flsa protections…these are the bare minimum of a society that doesn’t eat children. The states voters did this after the state just went through the clear and costly lesson of a mass layoff situation due to covid and it was clear these predatory companies were designed to screw workers and the state to maximize returns to shareholders, even beyond how bad a standard worker has it. If the states own voters arent anything more than moderate, why would the hope be the governor of the state would be?
Anything to the left of Pinochet is being labeled as anarchist left wing terrorist by fascists who are actively dismantling government, legal, social protections.
California has the largest population of Republican voters in the US (couldn’t find numbers for Texas, I think they don’t have voter party declarations?) https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-voters-have-a-party-affiliation/
Well that’s unsurprising since they have the largest population and trends usually scale.
I think it is important to note they have been moving more toward republican votes over the last presidential elections, which if anything shows why Newsom is a symptom, not the cause–and I say that not liking the dude.
Yes, and they also have the largest population of Democrat voters, and most other demographics you could name.
You have to declare in Texas IF you want to mail-in vote in the primary. If you vote in person, you can skip party declaration and just ask for the desired ballot when you sign in.
(2016 was the only time I had to call myself a D. I still get their spam.)
Yep - just drive through San Bernardino. Maga country, and yes, it’s not a very nice place to boot.
Newsom is just another old timey democrat in modern times. This is why the US is fucked. One side doesn’t do enough while the other side burns it all down.
I wish ceramic non-stick worked as well. I do think it’s improving so hopefully it’ll get there…
Ceramic nonstick sketches me out. It’s got silicone embedded in the material, which effectively lubricates the pan to produce the nonstick effect until it all eventually leaches out. It seems safe because a little silicone in your food is not considered dangerous currently. I recently started using the pans with a metal grid in them that’s supposed to produce a nonstick effect from its physical structure. They work well enough it’s not been a problem even though they aren’t quite as nonstick as pfas or silicone. They are stupid expensive unfortunately.
Edit: Misremembered, its “organic silicon compounds” and not silicone.
Silicone is not safe when heated: https://www.insidehalton.com/news/health-canada-study-silicone-bakeware/article_c722cdb8-ae14-58ac-bfd1-dbe93a63eb0d.html
Huh - I was under the impression that they were basically teflon/pfas with raised ridges so your metal utensils wouldn’t scratch the coating.
That is not based on any fact I saw anywhere - just the assumption my brain made when I saw them.
I had heard they were expensive but then I’ve also seen some generic/cheap ones at TJMaxx. Could be completely different material, though, while just copying the “look”.
All I know for sure is my inside out omelets only work with teflon pans (from what I’ve tested).
There are ones that are really just normal pfas pans that copied the look but you’re still not supposed to use metal utensils with them. The world of cookware is really confusing, it’s a huge industry and doesn’t seem to really be regulated or monitored for safety in any significant way.
I don’t know enough about the risks to confidently say whether or not a ban is a good idea. (But what I do know leads me to keep using nonstick pans.) However, what jumped out at me in this article was this:
“Whether or not California passes a ban, Pfas is on the way out because consumers are demanding it,” Salter added. “If lawmakers represent their constituents then they’ll pass a ban, and if they represent billion dollar companies then they will oppose it.”
People freely choose whether or not to use nonstick pans, so how can passing a ban possibly represent constituents even in principle? A law regulating the negative externalities of pollution makes sense as something that constituents might want, but is the concern here really about the harm done to one person by a different person in a different house using nonstick cookware? It seems to me that laws like this are about protecting constituents from themselves, which is often justifiable but not really representative.
(A ban on pfas in other contexts where people don’t expect to find it does make sense as something that could represent constituents.)
Teflon(PTFE) being one of the most common sources of PFAS is notably dirty to make and Dupont has had more than one major lawsuit or incident involving byproducts polluting the environment. I could see laws getting passed to reduce overall manufacturing capacity. -That said, Teflon is kind of a miracle material that can do what almost no other material can with it’s chemical stability which also happens to be it’s greatest flaw but i think it would be a mistake to completely ban that.
The article mostly focuses on cookware but they do mention a few other goods that would be affected by the proposed ban.
I think this is a deeper decision than just folding to corporations. Lots of people probably don’t want it either.
How does one ban PFAS tho? And what does that mean for the consumers? Maybe lots of cooks prefer nonstick materials. It’s so widespread too, how would you effectively ban PFAS?
I personally do not like cooking on stainless steel pans because it sticks so much. Cast iron pans and woks are good but not for all purposes.
He also stopped RCV.
