To Mods: I feel like this is not “political enough” for political memes… so… um… …
Congrats on your impending ban from .ml
They posted on .world. It should be okay, right? Did it ever happen where they banned people for posting stuff on other instances?
IDK about the admins, but community mods in the lemmyverse can ban other users for whatever reason they want and that happens all the time (“serial downvoting” is the most common excuse I’ve seen, the pro-AI communities do it all the time to shore up the walls of their echo chambers…). At the admin level, .world notoriously rarely bans at the instance level, whereas .ml … does tend to do that, yeah.
.ml’s practically the opposite. Dessalines and Davel do the vast majority of the banning, while the mods do jack shit in comparison.
I’m almost certain that .ml is run by sime comunist police.
They do appear to be regular bootlicking enthusiasts, not actual collaborators. There’s a fair amount of scrutiny on them.
Believe it or not, straight to jail.
Its fine, they cant do anything except stay in their own bootlicking bubble. Because of Lemmy’s design, they cant control it.
duudeee I said something like that on .ml and got seriously scared for my life. Dude literally stalked me. I think he was ccp police, no normal person acts like that lol
waiting for my stalker friend to come hate on me lol
How did they stalk you? I had some wackos trying to publicly shame me for having down voted them (didn’t work as they expected I guess) or mention something about other comments on other communities.
It’s weird, but not unheard of, or a uniquely tankie trait. They are more usually using puppet accounts.
They read all my comments ever. Literally went investigate my life through my comments
It’s a pretty good idea to set down a new persona for every social media account - build a life like writing a story, condense it into like 6 sentences and read through it before you comment. Throws stalkers for a loop and it’s fun imagining them tear their hair out trying to figure out who you are.
I meam I’m already super careful but those people are really trying to mr. evil and “take over the word”.
He didn’t spend 8 years in evil medical school to be called “Mr. Evil” thank you very much!
oh god you’re right! it’s Doctor Evil. lol Guess I’m dead now
Ok, so?
haha found em
I mean you can say the same for america
Eh, I’ll be honest the English language is so dumb tbh, no offense to westerners, but wtf is all the weird grammar and spelling and pronunciations…
But yea if you put aside politics, almost everywhere has something good about it.
English is three languages in a trench coat mugging other languages for more words. That’s why it’s so fucky, also there have been attempts to reform the language but outside of the Webster Oxford split most of the time it’s only effected a word or two resulting in weirdnes like with solder/sodder/soder which are all ways of saying and spelling the same fucking word.
It’s frankly a miracle nearly every dialect is intelligible with eachother if folks slow down their speech, though mines so fucken scuffed it breaks speech to text.
I’ve always found it ironic how much we actually have in common with our adversaries
Poor people suffering, same tale as most of the world.
Except Nordic countries, they figured it out somehow…
There’s nothing particularly special about our language or food other than both being an amalgamation and bastardization of other cultures.
Disagree on the first panel, us cuisine is hundreds of years in making. Chinese food has been in development for many millenia! It’s goooood
I would also put Chinese infrastructure and build quality in the middle too. While you do see a lot of cool shit they are building, you see a lot of there shit fall over because of a lite breeze.
As someone from the PRC myself, I can share the following experience with you:
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间老师，我只读了二年级，这词这么深，我怎看懂？😭
But okay I’ll give it a try…
So I had to look up dictionaries…
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
天地一片苍茫
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
只为伊人飘香
爱我所爱 无怨无悔
此情长留心间爱我所爱 无怨无悔
So… is this basically telling me to just accept myself and let go of grievances?
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧
Is 北风 referring to 北京? Like the harsh cold weather and alluding to the politics? Like the winds of politics pushing things away?
天地一片苍茫
the world is so big, you can go anywhere?
一剪寒梅 傲立雪中
一剪 meaning the relationship being cut off? (like change of citizenship?) 傲立雪中 Meaning to be brave and stand in the “snow of uncertainty”?
只为伊人飘香
(continuing from above line) bravely live on for yourself?
此情长留心间
what is the 情? like the attachment to heritage? the attachment forever being in your heart even when the relationship is cut off? like the love for food and stuff even when you dislike your toxic relationships that which you acquired the taste for the food?
I probably just projected a lot of my feeling on to those words and my interpretation is probably all wrong lol.
Also, why is the same lines repeated?
雪花飘飘 北风萧萧 天地一片苍茫 一剪寒梅 傲立雪中 只为伊人飘香 爱我所爱 无怨无悔 此情长留心间 雪花飘飘 北风萧萧 天地一片苍茫 一剪寒梅 傲立雪中 只为伊人飘香 爱我所爱 无怨无悔 此情长留心间
Snowflakes flutter, the north wind howls, The world is a vast expanse of white, A lone plum blossom stands proudly in the snow, Its fragrance is offered only for her. I love what I love, without regret, This love will forever remain in my heart. Snowflakes flutter, the north wind howls, The world is a vast expanse of white, A lone plum blossom stands proudly in the snow, Its fragrance is offered only for her. I love what I love, without regret, This love will forever remain in my heart.
Is this translation correct? If so, I don’t understand how this poetry is related; unless it’s all a metaphor that’s subtext for some kind of political message.
From what I could ascertain, it is correct, but it’s from this meme:
That’s beautiful
Taking 800 million people out of poverty and becoming the manufacturing hub of the world is not good enough of a government for you? It is for the majority of Chinese people though, highest government satisfaction rate in the world!
Edit: so many comments responding with striking cognitive dissonance against factual, empirical data carried out in study after study by Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Westerners are so propagandized about China that they can’t even listen to western factual information about China and government satisfaction. Again: if you think you are less biased against communism than the western institutions listed above, think again.
9-9-6, suicide nets on some factories… Sounds like a happy place to be.
It’s interesting how much pro-China stuff seems to have flooded the Internet lately. They’ve even been inviting (maybe paying?) YouTubers to visit their country, despite not allowing YouTube to be accessed (legally) on their Internet. This campaign seems to be effective though.
I’m not even really anti-China. I used to conduct a lot of business with Chinese factories, and might do it again someday. But let’s not ignore reality and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows over there.
You’re talking like terrible work culture and exploitative working conditions don’t exist in America.
There are laws that limit it, and 72-hour work weeks are pretty extreme, even in the US. Do they happen? Sure. I’ve known people who have had to do hours like that for a week, maybe even two. But it’s not their normal schedule like 9-9-6 workers.
Whataboutism much? “Yeah, Chinese people may be overwhelmingly satisfied with their government, BUT WHAT ABOUT…”
But sure, let’s do whataboutism. I’ve visited China and the US (I’m Spanish). In China I’ve seen a total of 0 suicide nets. In the US I’ve seen plenty of public spaces forbidding people from having backpacks due to fear of mass murder with rifles. One of them was a university. Tell me again how much healthier the country that doesn’t allow BACKPACKS IN UNIVERSITIES is.
So you didn’t visit any factories with suicide nets. Great! I’ve also never witnessed a mass murder. Lucky us!
You chose the easier, less common example, but ignored the more common one that I mentioned. So whatabout 9-9-6? I’ve spoken to people in that 9-9-6 life, and exactly zero of them were happy about it.
Witnessing a mass murder would be akin to watching not a suicide net but an actual suicide, great false equivalency in your whataboutism.
What about unpaid holiday in the USA? What about homelessness rates? What about rates of poverty in urban areas and rates of employed poverty? What about diplomatic, economic and military support for genocide in Palestine? What about one in five black males going through the prison system at least once throughout their lives? What about mass incarceration rates? What about drug abuse and drug mortality? What about car-only infrastructure? What about expansive suburban without access to public transit or any walkability? What about food deserts? What about the invasion of Iraq? What about the most expensive healthcare in the planet with the least function of the developed world? What about the disintegration of public education? What about prohibitive tuition costs in universities? What about student debt? What about debt of US citizens in general? What about credit score rates? What about the price of housing being unaffordable? What about the oil dependency and the shutting down of renewable and nuclear projects? What about the “back to coal”? What about the collapse of unionization rates? What about rates of obesity? What about functional illiteracy rates? What about life expectancy being lower than in Cuba? What about massive wealth inequality? What about the most overfunded and bloated military industrial complex? What about the support for dictators and fascists all over the world? What about the CIA operations supporting coups and destroying socialist movements? What about the bombing of Libya submerging it into a civil war? What about the support for ISIS in Syria? What about mass surveillance of US citizens and of the rest of the world? What about ownership of mass media and social media by capitalist conglomerates? What about the militarized police disappearing people in the streets? What about the functionally equivalent two parties in your “democracy”? What about the pedophilic gerontocracy in power? What about the rollback of rights of women? What about the rollback of rights of trans people? What about the consistently racist policies? What about the lack of worker rights? What about the finacialized justice system? What about the total lack of public childcare infrastructure? What about the disastrous rates of second language knowledge and usage among USians? What about the exploitation of the peoples and their resources in the global south? What about the propagation of false neoliberal recipes for disaster through the IMF and its debt traps? What about the offshoring of polluting industries? What about the support for fascists like Bolsonaro and Milei?
Wow, that looks like a lot of work to avoid the 9-9-6 thing. I like this first one though:
What about unpaid holiday in the USA?
Was that at the top of the list because it was meant to compare to 9-9-6, somehow? I mean sure, unpaid holidays suck, but that’s not even in the same ballpark as working 72 hours per week, every week. At that point, you’re just living to work (as a robot/zombie slave cursed with a depressed human brain and flesh body).
As for the rest of the list: I appreciate the effort, but would it have been much harder to use an unordered list? And do you think it’s not possible to gather a big list about China that isn’t just as bad or worse?
Just out of curiosity: When you say “USians” IRL, how do you pronounce it? “You-ess-ians”? “Yousians”? “Oosians”?
Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism Whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism whataboutism
Neat buzzword ya got there. Anyway, I acknowledge that you’ll continue ignoring 9-9-6. Consider your attempts to dodge it a success. And congrats on your success :)
On a lighter topic: I’m still curious about “USian”. Appending a suffix like “ian” to an acronym is unusual in English, but this is the second time I’ve encountered it on Lemmy. How is it pronounced?
And almost half of America approves of trump, what’s your point?
Surely you are capable of understanding that 93% is a much greater number than 50%?
Are you going to address my actual point or just accuse me of not understanding kindergarten level math?
What a country thinks of its own government is not a good metric for how that government is actually doing. Quite a bit of disapproval shows significant cracks in unity, but significant approval just shows that people believe in their government. National pride was also pretty high when the United States was (it still is but I’m referring to when national pride was high) going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century.
National pride was also pretty high when the United States was going around committing war crimes against any small nation that leaned communist and domestic terrorism against its own people in the 20th century
Good thing China isn’t doing any of those things then, China doesnt go around doing war crimes, invading other nations or supporting fascist coups. The satisfaction rates must be coming from somewhere else then… Maybe from the extremely powerful and sustained economic growth lacking any big economic crises, the saving of millions of lives during the COVID pandemic with the strong central government mandates, the near-total home ownership rates, and the comparison of their government with those abroad?
It’s absolutely true that China’s economic growth and the effectiveness of the government’s COVID response is a factor, but my point was that the government has an enormous ability to influence the population. Of course the government you live under is going to have an advantage when it comes to having your approval. I’ve tried to make a point that being almost universally approved by the people that live under it is not an objective measure of morality or the amount of good it does, just popularity, and popular things aren’t always moral or good. I would also add that these numbers could simply be fudged, but I don’t know enough about the source to say that for certain and I knew you definitely wouldn’t believe it if it was true anyway.
But from how these responses are worded, I’m guessing that no matter what I say you’re just gonna stick with this narrative and let your brain decide that any information you take in is either in support of what you believe or a lie. I’m gonna go now.
Edit: after re-reading your earlier comment im actually curious about where you got that image of a graph. I know you said where it was from, but you never provided a link or the name of what it was from. That’s kind of bad form, you gotta properly cite your sources. Can you reply with it because I’m actually trying to learn more about China (cause, yk, they’re becoming kinda important) and also I think it would be funny if you were lying about the data and refused to link it
Got the graph from here. According to the source, the data’s origin is “according to surveys conducted between 2003-2016 by Harvard’s Kennedy School”.
Another source I’ve linked to in other comments, quotes: “According to the Pew Research Center, 85 percent of Chinese people in 2013 were satisfied with their government, while only 35 percent of Americans felt the same about their government. In May 2020, a University of California survey found that 88 percent of Chinese people preferred their country’s political system. A study jointly published by the Ash Center for Democratic Governance and Innovation at Harvard University’s Kennedy School of Government showed that Chinese people’s satisfaction with the central government rose from 86.1 percent in 2003 to 93.1 percent in 2016”.
I’ve made sure to link to sources that portray western biases such as University of California, Pew Research or the Harvard University, and yet you see the replies to my comment are plagued with people questioning the methodology, as if three different western organizations had any motives to portray pro-China bias. Lemmy is riddled with anticommunist and anti-China bias, and bringing factual data gives people such levels of cognitive bias that they’ll just outright reject the information, MAGA style.
I understand you may doubt “government satisfaction” as a metric of anything actually good, that’s reasonable I guess, but the post is about OP’s impressions of the Chinese government, which is the reason why I brought it up.
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How exactly does this
it’s to merely create doubt about the subject
follow from my comment? I posted factual evidence about China, got countered with “how about this other data I’m making up which is half as large?” and I mocked it
I’m so glad the wage slave who made this graphic for Poo Bear survived the nets.
This graph was made using data from Pew Research, the University of California and the Ash Institute. Tell me again how much of a Communist, Pro-China these institutions have.
A source so that you get some more whiplash from your cognitive bias
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Those manufacturing jobs for humans are super safe in the coming decade
Not sure what you’re on about. AI revolution replacing humans by machines in industry? If China achieves this, it will find employment for its people in other sectors of the economy, as it historically has.
selling out future generations’ natural legacy
…by producing 93% of the world’s production of solar photovoltaic panels and being the largest investor in wind energy production and nuclear including the most advanced thorium reactor designs?
You’re looking at exploitation of the labour class by the ruling class
Go ahead and give us data about the wealth differences between politicians in China vs workers in China and compare that with western countries like USA or Germany. Go ahead, by all means, give us the data, convince us of your point and how much more a “ruling class” exists in China than elsewhere.
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The Chinese government sees their citizens as a means, not an end. If it works out better to let people starve homeless, people will shiver in the rain
You’re not talking from factual evidence, but from western exceptionalism. I’ll proceed to disregard everything else you’ve written. Have a good day malding at the rise of China and your western empire crumbling
Ask them what happens if you don’t approve of the government in China.
This is a laughable comment… Who are you trying to fool?
Sure, buddy, you know more about the methodology of these studies than literal Pew Research and the University of California. Keep going, show us more of your cognitive bias rejecting factual information about the country that your government has deemed evil and bad.
Source (surely Harvard is not an “evil dictator CCP mouthpiece”? Or are you MAGA saying everything is a psyop?)
Welp. If no one’s gonna ban this one, I’m gonna block him lol
“If nobody is going to ban the person giving me factual data contradicting my indoctrination, might as well block them”. Solid stance, not MAGA at all.
Imagine being so racist and unfunny that even politicalmemes wouldn’t let you post. Proud day for you and your family, dipshit
“Racism is when you don’t like the Chinese government”?
These posts are a good way to find who to mute!
“<word that people have negative connotations about> is when you don’t like <thing that I kinda like>”
- manipulative people for whom facts mean even less than consent
Actual footage of where this hot take came from:
So are we just going to ignore the bit about “Chinese families” then? Seems like a rather broad racial generalization, and the poster is quite clearly implying their belief in some negative stereotype.
Your response doesn’t even make sense, unless you are proposing that all “Chinese families” are actually CCP officials?
The poster is Chinese, and regularly writes about struggling with cultural expectations with regards to traditional Chinese familial norms. If I wrote that white American family cultural norms were fucked, as a partly-white American, would that make me racist? Not only that, but families are placed at the midpoint, not the fucked-up ‘end’ of the drawing.
Yeah, everyone seeing this knows the poster’s heritage, favorite food, and post address.
There is a difference between “Chinese families” and “my Chinese family”. Maybe you would understand if “Chinese” was replaced with “Black”.
It’s just plain bigotry.
The Chinese families bit is most likely a reference to widespread, problematic family dynamics stemming from shared social pressures in China. Just in living memory, a household might have gone through: a revolution, the cultural revolution, famine, rapid urbanization, one child policy, economic booms, economic bubbles, etc…
That will leave any family pretty fucked up, though it may not be universally bad (hence, only the middle of the horse). In the future, we’ll probably see similar echoes of trauma from the USA’s current historical flashpoint.
This is a known community member who was born in China.
If you look at OP’s history they’re something who clearly has had a tumultuous experience as an American who immigrated from China. Their relationship with their country of birth, their family, and their experiences with racialization and their heritage are something they’re clearly struggling with and processing. Calling them racist isn’t constructive to them or the community.
Hahahahahahahahaha thanks I needed a good laugh this morning :)
Pea-sized brain is blocked :)
