Watch the guy who disarmed one of the shooters
Real fucking hero. He was shot twice during the scuffle and was in surgery expected to survive.
His name is Ahmed al Ahmed. Found the footage of his relative being interviewed and he is named. Saw it early in Aussie news, can’t remember if it was 9 News or ABC (Australia Broadcasting)
Edit: updated link
They immediately labeled it a terrorist attack. In the US this would’ve been called Tuesday.
When was the last time Australia had a mass shooting before this?
Around 30 years ago in Port Arthur. I think 40 people were killed that day. It triggered our national strict gun laws, although they’re continually being watered down since we’ve been experiencing more gun violence in the last decade.
nice way you turned this Australian tragedy into an attack on the US.
What no one seems to be asking is the obvious question: how the fuck did these attackers get hold of guns? This is Australia folks not fucking America. We have laws to stop exactly this. How, where and by whom were they circumvented? More importantly: how can we prevent this from happening again?
Hunting with firearms is not illegal in Australia. They are relatively common in rural areas, they have their use. All you need is someone stealing guns one way or another and then smuggling them to the city. It’s not like the police will stop you to rummage through your belongings… unless you drive like an absolute reckless imbecile.
I don’t think you can prevent this from happening again. You can definitely take measures to make it more difficult to happen again, ie. police cordoning an area where there is a religious gathering. But there is always a way. You can’t control everything. When it’s not guns it’s a car driving over people or explosives or poisoning or whatever.
You can get semi automatic hunting weapons relatively easily, same as in New Zealand.
The problem is, there’s enough people with a legitimate use case of firearms that banning them completely isn’t possible.
This is the exact question i asked my spouse when told it was in Australia. I was under the impression that their gun laws are fairly strict?
Their gun laws are strict, compared to America. But the notion that Europeans and other first-world citizens can’t have guns is far from the truth. Hell, some laws are looser. Most (all?) Europeans can buy a suppressor, and I gather those are mandated in some places, or at least you’re frowned upon for not having one.
One of my favorite GunTubers was visiting and interviewing in a central European gun shop (forget the country, sorry) and I was like, “Well, shit. They can buy about anything we can buy!”
America doesn’t have a gun problem. America has a culture problem. I could tell you a dozen stories of idiot Americans not understanding the laws we already have. Many of those idiots are dead or in prison.
At least 11 people were killed in a shooting targeting the Jewish community at Australia’s famous Bondi Beach, and 29 people were taken to the hospital.
A man believed to be one of the shooters has been killed, New South Wales Police said. The second alleged shooter is in a critical condition.
It was an organized Hanukkah event at the beach.
Awful, just awful :(
You see, everyone in there is surprised because it happens in Australia, not USA.
Everyone is surprised because it happens there SO RARELY, because of strict firearm rules.
I hate Australian Nazis.
One of the men was named Naveed Akram, so take of that what you will.
Am thinking this was a bit less Wehrmacht related and a bit more Gaza…
…but yeah… obligatory fuck NAZIs just so no one misunderstands my point.
One of the men was named Naveed Akram, so take of that what you will.
What’s in a name? That which we call a Nazi, by any other name would stink as foul.
This news comes less than 24 hours after Hamas leader was killed in Gaza, during cease-fire no less. These innocent people have nothing to do with that, and it’s possible it’s not related, but BOTH sides need to stop this madness or it will never end.
…BOTH sides need to stop this madness or it will never end…
Isaac and Ishmael. It’s been going on for thousands of years. Old, old family squabble, it is. :(
what “side” were the people on the beach on?
Yeah let’s ignore all other times in history where there was inter religion solidarity. Like when the ottoman welcomed Jewish refugees kicked out from Spain and portugal or the yemeni jews welcomed in palestine in the late 1800s and both participated in each other festivities. Or when jews was allied with the early muslims in the 7th centuries or during the Farhud pogrom where both communities protected each others.
50 / 50 this guy was at some point a member of thr IDF. Good chance it’s a false flag.
I’m waiting for this to be used in USA as “see gun control doesn’t work”
My sympathy to families of all the innocent people who got murdered. Ending Israeli occupation is the only way to prevent those type of incident
Read the room. This ain’t it.
So you don’t want to root of the problem to be fixed?
Of course I do, and I’ve been rather vocal about it over the last 2 years.
When there is mass shooting in schools we discuss the root of the issue. When there is increase of violence we talk about how poverty etc. contribute to it . Only when there is a major massacre related to the colonization of Palestine that people feel like it’s not the time to discuss the root of the issue
It could be interpreted as victim blaming in a way that talking about gun control following a school shooting cannot be.
The other side openly engages in that sort of mentality, and I aggressively condemn it.
A school shooting can also definitely be used for victim blaming. Nobody who victim blaming would preface his comment by expressing sympathy for the families of the victims
Only morons say things just to fit in with others.
Cringe
Found one.
Says the less than a day old outrage account lol
shut the fuck up with that bullshit.
When is the right time to acknowledge that injustice radicalises people? Once everyone is blind?
How long do we have to act as though Israel’s genocide is not directly causing a sharp increase in “antisemitism” globally?
You’ve been on Lemmy long enough that you should know that this is one of the most discussed topics here. Probably top 3.
Okay, so why are attacks targeting Jewish people the wrong time to discuss how dangerous the Israeli states actions are to the global Jewish diaspora?
The Islamic world has not grown anti-jewish over the last century in a vacuum, just like they didn’t grow anti-American in a vacuum. The exact same binary “you’re either with us or against us” rhetoric has been displayed after every terrorist attack since 9/11. It’s never the right time to discuss how our own past and present crimes recruit current and future enemies. They just hate us for our freedoms — who we are and our way of life — and that’s the only narrative our ministries of truth deploy.
It’s never the right time
That’s precisely the point of my comment though: there are tons of other posts one can condemn Israel’s genocide that don’t come off as opportunistic. The other side engages in this behavior: Netanyahu made a ridiculous statement that blamed Australia’s recognition of Palestine - https://www.commondreams.org/news/australia-palestian-state
Honestly though, this isn’t a hill worth dying on. Especially when we are on the same side, so this is just pointless infighting. You win, I forfeit. Have a good day.
Fuck you
