Audio Jacks for life
I would recommend 3389.
Got a Zenbook Duo last year. As thick as an old Thinkad.
But it has two screens; one under the keyboard. The keyboard pops off, then you prop it up with the kickstand to get one at eye level and the other below.
It’s friggin amazing.
I’m all for this on laptops. I’ve had external monitors for so long that when I have to work using only the laptop screen, it’s difficult to be effective. It’s great that laptops are small and light but I’ll sacrifice some of that for more screen size
Agreed. I had to start a new repo with scripts to get most of the features working in Linux, but I just consider that a fun weekend of discovery.
iPhones are thicker then ever (except for the air but it flopped) and no ports, worst of both worlds 😒
Product R&D engineer here. I have a product manager who only knows how to give one piece of feedback: make it smaller and slimmer. What requirement is driving this? Can’t say. What user need are we trying to address? No idea. But smaller=better for some reason.
compensating for complexes behaviour, I guess
Can’t you just kill him? You know, for the greater good?
Just make sure you dispose of the body in the smallest, thinnest container possible.
A slurry can be made very, very thin.
“Fun” little tidbit, the Mexican cartels call the guy who reduces bodies to a slurry “un pozolero” (a soup-maker) when they need to get rid of a body. Actual Pozole is quite delicious though.
br0th
The greater good!
Crusty jugglers!
Have you considered arranging an office white water rafting trip or perhaps cave diving, where a terrible misfortune may befall this person?
One thing people who don’t build products tend to imagine is that PMs are constantly doing market research, data analysis, focus groups, etc.
That may be true at some companies, but IME they can be clueless beyond belief because their real job is to be salespeople. They sell dreams to executives. Whether those will actually sell is a much lower concern.
See also: AI being shoved down everyone’s throats.
Ask them why then.
Thinner until I can shave with this thing.
At least they’d be adding a function to a phone for once.
I think it’s because, on one hand, it’s an engineering feat (useful or not) but also it’s one that is immediately visible and measurable. It’s useless beyond the novelty, as we saw with the iPhone Air, but it’s still impressive.
Also there is a history of great functionality being born from miniaturization. I’m not sure we’ll see much of that happening anymore, the low hanging fruits and nearly every other avenues have been explored, and it’s much less a problem of engineering as much as it is chemistry and physics. Unless you sacrifice usability for the sake of the feat.
So I agree with you that it’s not bringing much to the table, but I think there is an interest in pursuing it for one’s career
My phone has a headphone jack. I never want to let it go
Headphone jack and removeable battery for me. I always have 3 batteries in rotation, and replace the oldest one every 2 years or so.
Carry a spare in my pack and have a 3rd charging on an external charger to swap out at home.
Im currently working full time doing solar installs. I do a lot of the EE and physical design, and can edit both from my phone, whole working off of existing plans. And I can’t exactly have my phone plugged in while up on a roof. So I just swap out my battery when it gets low.
The when I get home, I swap out the dead battery for the one on the charger, and plug my phone in while I sleep.
I also end up catering or ‘celeb’ bartending 2x a month or so during the season out here. On those days ill often swap to the 3rd battery before I go to work for the evening so I have a fresh battery and can run the music off my phone all evening, without having to worry about power.
I traded my headphone jack for a pen. I’m buying a new active USB-C-to-Jack converter every six month, because techbros fell in love with some futuristic concept image featuring a cyborg girl wearing what appears to be wireless earbuds. (At least the full transparent glass phone apocalypse is further away)
If they ever do that I will refuse to call them anything other than datapads
Bigger battery, more ergonomic grip, less camera bump, better thermal regulation, less weight, nobody wants a thinner phone
And a screen small enough that I can reach the whole thing with my thumb — I have very large hands (and pockets) and find my phone very awkward to hold.
And no AI features.
And no AI features.
Best we can do is Liquid Ass.
Honestly I’d take that trade if it were in the context of Windows. The amount of AI bullshit is astoundingly bad, it makes Windows 8 feel like a relief to use.
Oh, absolutely! I loved Aero on Windows Vista and 7. :)
It doesn’t check all of those points, however a good number of them fit the new Sony Xperia, they have two models, one that’s more powerful and expensive and a cheaper (€400) model.
I’m sick of my Samsung tbh, have had them for a while now, but as soon as I saw that the Sony phones have a headphone jack and Micro SD slot I’m sold for my next phone. No camera hole punch either (I’m not a fan of it, I can understand people liking it though).
Can you buy Sony phones in the US directly or do you need to import them, it’s sad how uncompetitive the US tech market is, the government has basically banned most Asian brands from selling in the US
We hear you, and added another Animoji meanwhile!
Next year we might allow you to change glass color OR opacity, who knows when the wonders will cease?
You want bigger everything and less weight.
???
Xperia VI (which is small and light for a modern phone) is heavier than the Galaxy S3.
The Xperia is much larger than an S3.
Xperia 162 x 74 x 8.2 mm weight 192 grams 98000 mm^3
S3 136.6 x 70.6 x 8.6 mm 133 grams 83000mm^3
But not twice as large.
It doesn’t weigh twice as much.
The only thing that would significantly add to the weight is a bigger battery and even there new battery tech has come out that is lighter than the existing lithium ion battery tech so its possible to have a bigger battery with less weight
The only thing that would significantly add to the weight is a bigger battery
You said get rid of camera bump. That means making the entire device thicker because of the limits of optics. Batteries are already around 25% of the total weight so doubling battery life would increase weight 25%.
Sounds good to me, I think the camera bump is one of the dumbest design decisions modern phone designers have forced on us. Just make the thing a uniform thickness, gives them room to put back those things they removed in the quest for more thinness, which they never could have really done because of the optics.
I lost my fingerprint reader on the back because they wanted to go thinner and I’m stuck with the significantly worse screen reader, all so I could get a phone that’s more awkward to lay down without a case that effectively limits or eliminates the bump anyway, so nothing has been gained.
I agree. It’s just the “Make it bigger and lighter” doesn’t make sense. If you remove the camera bump and fill it with battery you have a much heavier phone.
Well, more battery isn’t the only thing they could put in there… Like said, I’d love my fingerprint scanner on the back again (even if I’ve stopped using it to unlock my phone… Thanks, dystopian hellscape the US has turned into…)
I want both options. So at least one person wants a thinner phone.
This is what it once looked like. 😭
The consumers complained so much that they brought back thicker MacBooks with more ports.
I mean, it still has 3 USB C ports, headphone jack, MagSafe, HDMI, and SD slot.
The only thing I ever wish for - more than the HDMI port I’ve never used - is a foldable Ethernet port. Lenovo and Dell perfected them, they are very resilient. I’m not sure what Apple’s refusal has been, probably some rule that moving parts are abhorred. Anyway it’s not like they make a Pro version of the MacBook where you’d expect to see things like Ethernet.
I am a fan of everything careening toward becoming USB C compliant, or — in some way — just stardizing multipurpose ports. But Ethernet is still a common thing and not even Apple can kill it like they did with headphone jacks on their phones. I am personally indifferent to its exclusion but I can understand why people want it.
Perfection
Life can be beautiful and functional and perfect, we’ve witnessed it and tasted it.
Ports and a slightly larger battery using the space in the shell created by the ports
And maybe a screen glass that is 3mm thicker but that won’t break if you drop it
I could be wrong, but I don’t think this has so much to do with thickness as it does hardness. Like how you can smash automotive glass extremely easily with a tiny chunk of ceramic from a spark plug.
There are temperature treatments that can be done to glass that purposefully induces permanent tensions and compression forces in the glass that makes it stronger. But you need a big enough piece of glass to do that.
Ports are just offline compatibility.
And we can’t have that, can we?
–Silicon Valley Giants That Force Design Paradigms
I…actually like my MacBook Air…
It’s weird but the portability is nice. I’ve been lugging desktop replacements for so long that having something that can fit anywhere and not break my back is cool.
Now does EVERYTHING need to be like that, no.
I want smaller, not thinner, if I wanted a large phone, I would have used a tablet to take calls
Also me: puts a thick case on my thin phone
If you’re buying an Apple case, more money to it.
One of my gripes with smart phones: They’re so thin that they’re unergonomic to hold, which makes them prone to slip out of my hand. So I need a protective cover, which makes them thicc again.
What’s this from?
Thinner (1996)
