Massive corps don’t need to use the output of “little artists”, they have their own massive repositories of works they own or license that they can train AIs on.
The small artists won’t be able to use those AIs, though. Those AIs will belong to Disney or Getty Images, and if they deign to allow others to use them it’ll be through paywalls and filters and onerous licensing terms. The small artists would only be able to use open models freely.
This insistence on AIs being prohibited from learning from otherwise public images is going to be a phyrric victory if it ever comes to pass.
Why do they do it now then? They do need this. They need absurd amounts of tagged images of varying quality and style. No, their own repositories are nowhere near enough for general models. They require the small artists. Many artists, small or large, will simply refuse to license to disney too.
Allowing them to take from the smaller artists does not help the situation either. They now simply have more data, which they can run through their better equiped systems, quicker than anyone else can do. This helps the big corps while doing little for us small devs.
On the matter of these being “otherwise public images” being what they are trained on, can you not see this destroying this large public repository of information? No new work made by people who have unique ideas will be made public. Why would they? if they do, disney and getty images can now out compete them. This will cause the currently massive resource of images, information, and general art to become hidden. To become no-longer public. This stagnates art where it is now. Only that which people are OK with AI taking will be shared, becouse it will be. We get the same outcome either way, save for that already shared, the only difference is that nobody is able to enjoy the art being made which the artists don’t want training AI.
It’s convenient to be able to use whatever publicly available images you want for training, but it’s not necessary. Adobe proved this with their Firefly AI.
There’s not a single downside to requiring all material used in training to be licensed.
It destroys the open source/hobbyist sector. The only AIs that would be available for artists to use would be corporate-controlled, paywalled, and filtered. That’s a pretty huge downside.
Massive corps don’t need to use the output of “little artists”, they have their own massive repositories of works they own or license that they can train AIs on.
The small artists won’t be able to use those AIs, though. Those AIs will belong to Disney or Getty Images, and if they deign to allow others to use them it’ll be through paywalls and filters and onerous licensing terms. The small artists would only be able to use open models freely.
This insistence on AIs being prohibited from learning from otherwise public images is going to be a phyrric victory if it ever comes to pass.
Why do they do it now then? They do need this. They need absurd amounts of tagged images of varying quality and style. No, their own repositories are nowhere near enough for general models. They require the small artists. Many artists, small or large, will simply refuse to license to disney too.
Allowing them to take from the smaller artists does not help the situation either. They now simply have more data, which they can run through their better equiped systems, quicker than anyone else can do. This helps the big corps while doing little for us small devs.
On the matter of these being “otherwise public images” being what they are trained on, can you not see this destroying this large public repository of information? No new work made by people who have unique ideas will be made public. Why would they? if they do, disney and getty images can now out compete them. This will cause the currently massive resource of images, information, and general art to become hidden. To become no-longer public. This stagnates art where it is now. Only that which people are OK with AI taking will be shared, becouse it will be. We get the same outcome either way, save for that already shared, the only difference is that nobody is able to enjoy the art being made which the artists don’t want training AI.
It’s convenient to be able to use whatever publicly available images you want for training, but it’s not necessary. Adobe proved this with their Firefly AI.
Their text to image is nowhere near the abilities of other tools, and the rest are specialized tools.
It’s convenient, yes, but without it these models are much more limited.
Even of it was, my other points which you’ve ignored still stand
It’ll be a massive victory for artists and a failure for all the sham AI prompt generators.
There’s not a single downside to requiring all material used in training to be licensed.
It destroys the open source/hobbyist sector. The only AIs that would be available for artists to use would be corporate-controlled, paywalled, and filtered. That’s a pretty huge downside.
That’s not my problem
Art is not generated by machines. Nothing of value is lost.
Ah, so you meant “there’s not a single downside to me.”
Nothing of value is lost. Generative AI does not create anything new.
It’s exclusively a benefit to artists
Nothing of value to you is lost. We already know you don’t care about other people, no need to keep repeating that.
AI does not generate anything of value
I care about artists and the protection of their work. Not the AI models or their creators.
There are artists who use AI tools as part of their workflow. You don’t care about them.