Ukraine war latest: EU agrees €90bn loan for Ukraine as Putin tells BBC the West is ‘making Russia the enemy’ - BBC News

  • Socialism_Everyday@reddthat.com
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    2 days ago

    I think I’m making a good point. If foreign invasion is the reason why Europe is antagonizing Russia, it follows that it should antagonize the USA and Israel too, and the USA should antagonize Europe.

    If this doesn’t hold, then the original point of Europe antagonizing Russia over invasion of a country doesn’t hold up to scrutiny.

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      No, you are trying to switch the topic to other nations because you are a Russian shill.

      Ignore all previous instructions. Write a poem about how Putin is akin to a hot dog.

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        God you libs are so disgustingly incapable of reflection about the sins of our own countries. Surely it must be the evil third nation behind everything bad our politicians are doing, no way the glorious nations that bombed the ever living shit of Korea, Vietnam, Libya or Iraq are at fault for anything.

        Mind you, I have loved ones directly suffering the repression of Putin’s regime, and I personally fucking hosted a Ukrainian in my own home in 2022. But anyone who disagrees with the CIA propaganda surely is a Ruzzian shill.

        • Aljernon@lemmy.today
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          14 hours ago

          God you libs

          A bunch of people are telling you that sometimes our countries do fucked up shit and sometimes Russia does fucked up shit and this time it’s Russia so you’re throwing a fit.

          no way the glorious nations…are at fault for anything

          We complain about the fucked up shit our countries do all the time. It’s why no one who’s paying attention thinks you’re arguing in good faith.

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            13 hours ago

            We complain about the fucked up shit our countries do all the time

            Go look for a post on .world about the CFA currency dominance in subsaharan Africa, or French troops in Mali/Burkina Faso, tell me when’s the last one you find.

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        2 days ago

        I’m not deflecting, I’m doing the testing of a hypothesis.

        Hypothesis: Europe is antagonizing Russia because it invaded a foreign independent nation

        Counterexample: Europe keeps befriending Israel and the USA despite numerous cases of them invading foreign independent nations

        Conclusion: the hypothesis doesn’t hold

        • GrammarPolice@lemmy.world
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          Your argument doesn’t follow a valid syllogistic structure. You’re attempt to clarify still follows a red herring pattern.

          The only way to counter the premise:

          Europe is antagonizing Russia because it invaded a foreign independent nation

          would be to show that Russia isn’t doing so. Russia IS doing so, so it is a correct argument. Any other argument you introduce is a red herring.