Maybe, just maybe saying dumb shit like “death to [country]” is oversimplified bullshit that only serves to distract from what/who the real fucking enemy is. It’s the people in power that send the masses to kill each other on the battlefield, literally sending the working class to fight itself. To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit. The system is what is fucked, and the people in power are who perpetuate and make that system worse. Your dumbshit take is nothing short of insane and if I weren’t all too aware of the lunacy people fall into with online algorithms, I would be convinced you’re just another fucking troll. Although, tbf, the American government could use some unhinged takes online like this to justify more bullshit world policing.
To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit.
The parent comment went too far, but I’ve seen too many supposed progressives deriding pro-Palestinian protesters and carrying water for Genocide Joe to let your average American off the hook. The American working class may not be making the decision to engage in imperialism, but it keeps defending them and allowing them to happen. It’s the American working class that says “thank you for your service” after their “boys” blow up people on the other side of the world. Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class, so at this point I don’t have too many tears to shed now that it’s blowing up in their faces. Death to America.
Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class. The American people are not a fucking monolith. What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together. It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost. So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far. And also, you’re still making the same fundamental mistake with the sweeping generalization in that it’s not only inaccurate by its very nature, but counterproductive by further dividing the people already victimized by those in power. Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.
Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class.
Nor really. I can hate both the abusers and their enablers.
The American people are not a fucking monolith.
Sure, but how many Americans have ever acted against their government’s imperialism? 1%? 5%? 10%?
What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together.
I… gave examples to support my point. What? Do you want an exhaustive list of every instance of American imperialism apologia?
It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost
Then I’ll make a falsifiable prediction: No imperialist escapade the American ruling class tried to manufacture consent for has failed to get off the ground within the last 30 years.
So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far.
It went to far in the sense that it implied the American working class chooses to engage. That’s wrong; (most) Americans allow the choice to be made for them and either passively refuse to do anything about it or actively shut down serious attempts by people who want to do something about it. That’s not much better.
Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.
Am I allowed to blame people who defend the system, then? What about people who have nothing but excuses for why they totally definitely have to comply with the system? The point is: Everything I’ve seen since I’ve started following American politics has only managed to convince me that America is unsalvageable in the medium term and the world would be better off if it was broken down into smaller and weaker states. Fingers crossed for civil war.
Yeah, there’s just a couple of truly fucked up people at the top and everyone else is just innocent even if they took the guns to Fallujah and raped the women and children over there, lol. It doesn’t have to be 100% complicit, just enough that it continues being a cancer in the world, a violent murderous rapist, for about a century (and that’s only because they didn’t have power before), and acted the same internally when murdering and raping the locals and then bringing in the enslaved people. The rest of the world, besides the rest of the West, sees you for what you are, but you will deny it with blood in your hands and even call for more “policing”, lol. You’re insane, bloodthirsty, and if you continue defending murder for profit and rape for fun, you will sit next to your fellow evil Americans in Hell forever. I know you don’t believe in this like you don’t believe in anything besides the bag, but I’d rather warn you. Take some personal responsibility, the system IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE VALUES OF THE PEOPLE, or at least the dominant group.
… bro, this single comment isn’t even internally logically consistent. You very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to what systems are and how they relate to people. You need to get off the internet for a bit or something. This was not a coherent response in that I’m not even sure how to engage with it. Like… yeah, war crimes are bad and way too many American troops got away with them, but what does that have to do with the rest of the population and their complicity in the systems of war perpetuated by those in power? And then the leap to religious… stuff? Also, what the fuck is “the bag”? And why are you claiming I “believe” in only that? Also, what the fuck does that even mean?
Look, the only thing I can think to respond to you is that I think you’re very outraged by what is happening (which, like, yeah, any rational person would be), but I think you might be letting your outrage cloud your judgement and direct your anger in the wrong direction. What’s happening certainly is impossibly outrageous, but what can you and I do about it right now? Fight others in the working class about it? Well, that sounds like making it worse. How about we don’t do that? Take some time to cool off?
Maybe, just maybe saying dumb shit like “death to [country]” is oversimplified bullshit that only serves to distract from what/who the real fucking enemy is. It’s the people in power that send the masses to kill each other on the battlefield, literally sending the working class to fight itself. To say that the people of America(or any country) are the system is a fundamental breakdown of understanding what the fuck a system or people even are. To equate a voting population as 100% complicit with every decision their government makes is beyond dumbfuck baby bullshit. The system is what is fucked, and the people in power are who perpetuate and make that system worse. Your dumbshit take is nothing short of insane and if I weren’t all too aware of the lunacy people fall into with online algorithms, I would be convinced you’re just another fucking troll. Although, tbf, the American government could use some unhinged takes online like this to justify more bullshit world policing.
The parent comment went too far, but I’ve seen too many supposed progressives deriding pro-Palestinian protesters and carrying water for Genocide Joe to let your average American off the hook. The American working class may not be making the decision to engage in imperialism, but it keeps defending them and allowing them to happen. It’s the American working class that says “thank you for your service” after their “boys” blow up people on the other side of the world. Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class, so at this point I don’t have too many tears to shed now that it’s blowing up in their faces. Death to America.
Once again, this is another ridiculous take that once again only serves to shift blame to the working class. The American people are not a fucking monolith. What you’ve done here is taken an example or two of things that vaguely happened and have generalized an entire population with those examples with non sequiturs stitching everything together. It’s a giant claim to say that “Americans have demonstrated zero capability to reign in their ruling class” on top of it being a very vague claim that certainly appears to have the tools ready to put some wheels on a goalpost. So I’m gonna go ahead and point out that for one: you’ve made the same sweeping generalization as the parent comment that you already admitted went too far. And also, you’re still making the same fundamental mistake with the sweeping generalization in that it’s not only inaccurate by its very nature, but counterproductive by further dividing the people already victimized by those in power. Don’t blame it on the American, don’t blame it on the jew, blame it on the fucking system.
Nor really. I can hate both the abusers and their enablers.
Sure, but how many Americans have ever acted against their government’s imperialism? 1%? 5%? 10%?
I… gave examples to support my point. What? Do you want an exhaustive list of every instance of American imperialism apologia?
Then I’ll make a falsifiable prediction: No imperialist escapade the American ruling class tried to manufacture consent for has failed to get off the ground within the last 30 years.
It went to far in the sense that it implied the American working class chooses to engage. That’s wrong; (most) Americans allow the choice to be made for them and either passively refuse to do anything about it or actively shut down serious attempts by people who want to do something about it. That’s not much better.
Am I allowed to blame people who defend the system, then? What about people who have nothing but excuses for why they totally definitely have to comply with the system? The point is: Everything I’ve seen since I’ve started following American politics has only managed to convince me that America is unsalvageable in the medium term and the world would be better off if it was broken down into smaller and weaker states. Fingers crossed for civil war.
Ever come across the phrase the banality of evil ?
Yeah, there’s just a couple of truly fucked up people at the top and everyone else is just innocent even if they took the guns to Fallujah and raped the women and children over there, lol. It doesn’t have to be 100% complicit, just enough that it continues being a cancer in the world, a violent murderous rapist, for about a century (and that’s only because they didn’t have power before), and acted the same internally when murdering and raping the locals and then bringing in the enslaved people. The rest of the world, besides the rest of the West, sees you for what you are, but you will deny it with blood in your hands and even call for more “policing”, lol. You’re insane, bloodthirsty, and if you continue defending murder for profit and rape for fun, you will sit next to your fellow evil Americans in Hell forever. I know you don’t believe in this like you don’t believe in anything besides the bag, but I’d rather warn you. Take some personal responsibility, the system IS A DIRECT REFLECTION OF THE VALUES OF THE PEOPLE, or at least the dominant group.
… bro, this single comment isn’t even internally logically consistent. You very clearly don’t know what you’re talking about when it comes to what systems are and how they relate to people. You need to get off the internet for a bit or something. This was not a coherent response in that I’m not even sure how to engage with it. Like… yeah, war crimes are bad and way too many American troops got away with them, but what does that have to do with the rest of the population and their complicity in the systems of war perpetuated by those in power? And then the leap to religious… stuff? Also, what the fuck is “the bag”? And why are you claiming I “believe” in only that? Also, what the fuck does that even mean?
Look, the only thing I can think to respond to you is that I think you’re very outraged by what is happening (which, like, yeah, any rational person would be), but I think you might be letting your outrage cloud your judgement and direct your anger in the wrong direction. What’s happening certainly is impossibly outrageous, but what can you and I do about it right now? Fight others in the working class about it? Well, that sounds like making it worse. How about we don’t do that? Take some time to cool off?