If you’re going to try to narrow the definition that way, then most countries are fascists. Why don’t you visit the Wikipedia page on fascism and help them simplify what they classify as a very complex definition.
Why would I care what Wikipedia says when we have literal quotes from the guy that invented the term.
The complexity is just people trying to skirt around the truth that they live in a fascist society. But, just for shits and giggles let’s explore it.
“totalitarian, nationalist ideology emphasizing the absolute supremacy of the State, rejecting liberalism, democracy, and individualism for a collective, hierarchical society focused on national power, glory, and unity, organized corporatist-style with state control over economy and industry, built on myth, militarism, and the cult of the strong leader.”
Wow, so basically the US was fascist before we had a word for it. The founding fathers were definitely proto-fascists.
Oh yes, most of the world is definitely fascist as well. Did you miss the US toppling tons of nations and installing dictators?
If 90% + of all policy in all governments are written by corporations that pretty much seals it.
Liberalism, democracy, equality, etc. are just propaganda created by fascist nations to justify their existence to the people who don’t know better. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
It is not my definition, it is the definition of the man who created the concept.
The whole world became fascist as many countries didn’t have the strong corporatism elements to enable it without countries like the US introducing them. So it is only in more recent history (last two-hundred or so years) and before that I think proto-fascist would be more appropriate.
I am sure you could argue that before corporations guilds and trade groups created similar effects when lobbying governments. In modern times the wealthy’s favorite proxy, the corporation, has certainly become the dominate form of our culture.
I think a lot of people are hung up with Nazi = fascists, but the Italians were fascists and they were not Nazi. Also, the idea that Fascism is inherently bad. While our culture has certainly made it a problem, who is it to say with the right ethics and considerations that it couldn’t be conducted in a way that wasn’t destructive to the out groups.
There is also consideration for degrees. Obviously some countries policies are more fascist than others. So saying how fascist is probably more correct than a simple fascist or not statement.
When it comes to the US giving material support to the Nazi’s it is clear that they were just as fascist if not more than the Nazi. After all, Hitler modeled the final solution on how the US handled the Native Americans.
Private US citizens helped bank roll the Nazi party and IBM came up with the numbering system for the Jews and helped determine how many needed to be “cleared” out of the ghettos daily to allow the final solution to work. Not to mention the US lobbied the rest of the world not to take the Jews in before the final solution was ever proposed.
If you’re going to try to narrow the definition that way, then most countries are fascists. Why don’t you visit the Wikipedia page on fascism and help them simplify what they classify as a very complex definition.
Why would I care what Wikipedia says when we have literal quotes from the guy that invented the term.
The complexity is just people trying to skirt around the truth that they live in a fascist society. But, just for shits and giggles let’s explore it.
“totalitarian, nationalist ideology emphasizing the absolute supremacy of the State, rejecting liberalism, democracy, and individualism for a collective, hierarchical society focused on national power, glory, and unity, organized corporatist-style with state control over economy and industry, built on myth, militarism, and the cult of the strong leader.”
Wow, so basically the US was fascist before we had a word for it. The founding fathers were definitely proto-fascists.
Oh yes, most of the world is definitely fascist as well. Did you miss the US toppling tons of nations and installing dictators?
If 90% + of all policy in all governments are written by corporations that pretty much seals it.
Liberalism, democracy, equality, etc. are just propaganda created by fascist nations to justify their existence to the people who don’t know better. Propaganda is one hell of a drug.
Thanks for clarifying what your definition is. Pretty much includes any form of government throughout history. Is this an anarchist’s pov?
It is not my definition, it is the definition of the man who created the concept.
The whole world became fascist as many countries didn’t have the strong corporatism elements to enable it without countries like the US introducing them. So it is only in more recent history (last two-hundred or so years) and before that I think proto-fascist would be more appropriate.
I am sure you could argue that before corporations guilds and trade groups created similar effects when lobbying governments. In modern times the wealthy’s favorite proxy, the corporation, has certainly become the dominate form of our culture.
I think a lot of people are hung up with Nazi = fascists, but the Italians were fascists and they were not Nazi. Also, the idea that Fascism is inherently bad. While our culture has certainly made it a problem, who is it to say with the right ethics and considerations that it couldn’t be conducted in a way that wasn’t destructive to the out groups.
There is also consideration for degrees. Obviously some countries policies are more fascist than others. So saying how fascist is probably more correct than a simple fascist or not statement.
When it comes to the US giving material support to the Nazi’s it is clear that they were just as fascist if not more than the Nazi. After all, Hitler modeled the final solution on how the US handled the Native Americans.
Private US citizens helped bank roll the Nazi party and IBM came up with the numbering system for the Jews and helped determine how many needed to be “cleared” out of the ghettos daily to allow the final solution to work. Not to mention the US lobbied the rest of the world not to take the Jews in before the final solution was ever proposed.